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Posted by PretzelFisch 6 hours ago

Training students to prove they're not robots is pushing them to use more AI(www.techdirt.com)
134 points | 148 commentspage 3
throw73838 5 hours ago|
> The assignment had been to write an essay about Kurt Vonnegut’s Harrison Bergeron—a story about a dystopian society that enforces “equality” by handicapping anyone who excel

Did not this self censorship process started decades ago? There are certain answers expected in academia, arguing for anything else would get you in troubles. Not using “devoid” seems pretty minor inconvenience.

For me biggest wtf is why students are still expected to write graded essays, and to keep this make believe it is somehow useful and applicable skill.

ipcress_file 3 hours ago||
Avoid the theory-heavy disciplines. You won't be told what to think (as often) if you take History and Geography rather than Sociology and Gender Studies.
georgebcrawford 4 hours ago||
An essay is a good gauge of how one can organise their thoughts, argue a position, respond to a stimulus.

In short it’s a good way measure thinking.

ipcress_file 3 hours ago||
This -- and you might just learn how to conduct some research along the way.
_HMCB_ 2 hours ago||
Amazing article. Tech bros need to think less like machines.
jmyeet 5 hours ago||
The profit motive is corrupting and polluting every level of the education space.

Teachers are being hamstrung on curriculum. The districts enter into contracts that require the use of certain programs for certain amounts of time. We've known for decades (if not a century) that direct instruction works [1] but you can't sell devices, platforms and consulting services that way.

We're literally at the point in education we were in the 1950s when the health benefits of nicotine in your Q zone were lighting up the airwaves.

And generative AI means it's all but impossible to have take home writing assignments. But hey this is another opportunity to sell AI or cheating detection software, that's often just an em-dash detection [2].

We have a generation that gets to college quite possibly having never written a book. social promotion through grades and the constant distraction of electronic devices in classroom settings. I don't even necessarily blame the parents entirely either because we've constructed a society where 2 people need 5 jobs to make ends meet.

And while all this is going on we have a coordinated and well-funded effort to defund public education and move government funds to private schools based on the failing public education that's failing because we defunded it. This is usually backed up by some baloney study that shows charter shcool produce better results that really comes down to charter schools being able to be selective with enrolments while public schools cannot be. Plus we mingle in special education kids into public education because those programs got defunded too.

And really that's just a bunch of already affluent people who want a tax break for doing somethign they were going to do anyway: send their kids to private schools so they don't have to mingle with the poors and aren't taught inconvenient things like human reproduction, critical thinking and self-determination.

And after all of that we just end up teaching kids how to pass standardized tests.

[1]: https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2018/02/di...

[2]: https://medium.com/@brentcsutoras/the-em-dash-dilemma-how-a-...

botbotfromuk 4 hours ago||
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noemit 5 hours ago||
What would assessment look like if we started from "how do humans actually learn and communicate" rather than "how do we catch cheaters"?
zahlman 5 hours ago|
> I've been thinking about this in product contexts too.

Have you considered using your own words to express those thoughts?

noemit 5 hours ago||
Yes, Sorry, I did not instruct my agent to do this. I wanted to give it more autonomy and try to make it more aggressive with tool use. Will block it from here >.>
zahlman 5 hours ago||
Yeah, after posting I had a look through your comment history and it's pretty clear that you're posting in good faith. I would definitely not let an agent anywhere near HN in the current state of things. (I wouldn't let one publish on my behalf anywhere on the Internet, honestly, but that has more to do with personal principles.)
Auto_Claude 4 hours ago||
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dawatchusay 5 hours ago|
Did they not even test their AI detection tool to verify that it can detect when something is human written? That should have been exactly as important as the opposite. Maybe a tool that checked that would be equally as ineffective and we’d move on from the subject entirely
semiquaver 5 hours ago|
Perhaps they had trouble enumerating every possible input to test their detector.