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Posted by dryadin 9 hours ago

US Court of Appeals: TOS may be updated by email, use can imply consent [pdf](cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov)
343 points | 257 commentspage 5
stopbulying 2 hours ago|
How did Trump force platforms to allow him to harass and disrespect and incite, despite all of their TOS reserving right to ban such conduct?
flenserboy 3 hours ago||
interesting. if this is to be allowed, it must be allowed both ways.
chrismorgan 8 hours ago||
> In October 2023, Tile sent to all accountholders […] an email with the heading “Updated Terms of Service and Privacy Policy” […] to the email address provided by accountholders during registration, […] “[i]f you continue to use any of [Life360 and Tile’s] apps, or access our websites (other than to read the new terms) on or after November 26, 2023, you are agreeing to the [Oct. 2023 Terms].”

> Broad did not locate the Oct. 2023 Notice until January 2024, when she affirmatively searched for the email and found it in her spam folder. […]

> Doe “never knew that Tile sent” the Oct. 2023 Notice and so never “read any revised or updated Terms.”

> The district court held that neither Broad nor Doe assented to the Oct. 2023 Terms.

So then it was challenged, and the appeals court gets into the weeds: were the Appellees “on inquiry notice of the Oct. 2023 Terms”? (“Inquiry notice” is clearly a specific legal term, I can’t comment on its precise meaning.)

The entire thing seems to hinge on whether appropriate notice was given: it seems to be accepted by all parties and case law that “continuing to use after such-and-such a date implies consent” is okay. (This is explored at the end of the document: simply using the app is treated as “unambiguously manifesting assent”, presuming inquiry notice.)

The court decides: yes, it was sent in the appropriate way and clearly marked and described. And

> Although the email did not say specifically that the arbitration agreement would be updated, reasonable notice does not require the email to discuss every revision.

They do say

> Tile could have done more to ensure that all its users were on inquiry notice of the Oct. 2023 Terms. Tile could, for example, have interrupted users’ next visit to the Tile App with a clickwrap pop-up notice. […] Because Tile should have known that at least some of its users do not closely monitor email, […] and Tile should have furnished additional notices, this factor weighs against finding inquiry notice.

They conclude: two factors for, one against, and thus determine that inquiry notice was received, although Tile didn’t handle things properly themselves, and should have done more.

But they avoid setting this as universal precedent:

> Evaluating whether inquiry notice has been established is, however, always a “fact-intensive analysis,” […] and we do not hold that notice by mass email establishes inquiry notice in every case.

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This is my interpretation from a brief read of this interesting-sounding document. I’m neither a lawyer nor American. My understanding is almost certainly incomplete. I think I have avoided inserting any interpretation of my own, others can do that.

handoflixue 8 hours ago|
The argument seems to be that for Broad, there was clear receipt of the email, even if it was delayed by being in the spam folder - we know she found it eventually.

Doe is a bit more interesting, since she re-downloaded the app, and they're saying that in-and-of-itself is sufficiently clear intent/consent to the current Terms of Service

("Doe unambiguously manifested assent to the Oct. 2023 Terms by downloading the Tile App in March 2024 and using the Scan and Secure feature in attempting to locate her alleged stalker’s Tile Tracker.")

Pinegulf 7 hours ago||
To be fair, this document says that they updated TOS and by continuing to use the app, you agree. (End of page 3)
ArchieScrivener 5 hours ago||
>US Court of Appeals

Call me when the only court that matters makes a move.

jmyeet 2 hours ago||
There's a bunch of people here commenting that clearly didn't read the ruling and are saying hyperbolic things like (made up example) "DoorDash can take your house by silently updating the ToS to say if you don't tip, they can take your house". That's not what this says at all.

The issue is here is quite narrow: it concerns if cases need to go to arbitration or not or if the Northern California district court has jurisdiction. This concerns a change in the ToS (in October 2023). So, first off, the notion that can enforce arbitrary terms this way is false.

There's case law and legislation that the burden on the party seeking arbitration received assent for that and all this ruling does is say that sending the terms for that to the user-supplied email address combined with continued use of the app or website is sufficient to show that.

It's really no different to say that if you send someone a letter then that qualifies as notice. If that goes to your spam folder or you choose not to read it, that's kind of your fault.

But no, this isn't carte blanche to imply consent for any and all changes in ToS sent by email from continued use.

blurbleblurble 2 hours ago||
Is it just me or is the US unraveling?
hobs 3 hours ago||
"and we do not hold that notice by mass email establishes inquiry notice in every case."

Basically the case met two of three factors and so they said yeah probably but its not establishing precedent because each case is special.

blitzar 7 hours ago|
The court sounds bought, I hope they paid them well.
actionfromafar 4 hours ago|
OTOH they have a lot inventory of laws to shift before Sundown, so you might get a good price if you act now :-D
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