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Posted by rendx 9 hours ago

Fontcrafter: Turn Your Handwriting into a Real Font(arcade.pirillo.com)
354 points | 116 comments
ghrl 8 hours ago|
There used to be multiple tools like this from different websites, but they were all bought by Calligraphr to redirect to them instead, giving them an effective monopoly and letting them charge subscription fees for generating fonts over the limits of the free version. I used to create two fonts and merge them with FontForge to get a complete usable font.

Great to see some competition on the market. Completely in the browser would mean it does not depend on a server and continues working as an archived version, so that's certainly great.

Fnoord 3 hours ago||
There's very good OCR models. Then it becomes a matter of which letter is which. In Latin script there's only 26 possibilities, and then there's numbers and symbols.

1) https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-ocr-3

gunalx 1 hour ago||
not as simple as just OCR and map though. Some letters want space above them some want to be placed lower.

take g and f and c for examples

g and f are about the same height but different ofsets, and c would look like a capital C if scaled to the same size as g and f. (we probably want to auto adjust scales to match more evenly unless the text is on a grid (in case removing the grid is the difficulty)

These are just the difficulty I found by trying to make a more automated input to fontforge.

lovich 36 minutes ago||
There are ligatures as well if you’re getting fancy
coderbants 4 hours ago|||
If only my handwriting weren't utter chicken scratch I'd use this, but in my case - nobody needs to see that. :-/
kiyundai 1 minute ago|||
No need for encryption if no-one can read you ;)

I'm in the same boat haha

vasco 4 hours ago|||
You can use a picture of anyone's handwriting. There's high res pictures of medieval monks handwriting and so on that probably would be really cool as fonts.
qup 1 hour ago||
Your comment inspired me--I have an autograph book from the 1800s, my great-great-grandmother's.

The kids back then would sign notes to each other in these books, in lieu of a yearbook.

The handwriting is absolutely stunning. I have to do this now.

Y_Y 7 hours ago||
Ah, the Overleaf model.

Am I crazy to think there should be some way to stop this? It's utterly anticompetitive, but ai don't know any country where they bother trying to stop a small company buying/killing its competitors.

okamiueru 6 hours ago|||
Seems like open source is the way to defeat this. Anyone can easily create a competing service, which they then have to buy out, but the cost of setting up a new one is minimal. Interesting business model that feeds on anti-competitive businesses.
c7b 6 hours ago||
Interestingly, Overleaf is open source [0], although I can't speak to how well the open source version works.

[0] https://github.com/overleaf/overleaf

nbernard 6 hours ago||
IIRC, it is nerfed out. It is more open core than actual open source, and the paywalled features of the online version are missing.
akd 1 hour ago||||
I'm guessing that if you just uploaded a few pages of handwritten text to ChatGPT and asked it to make a font of your handwriting it would do a passably decent job. That might be the way that this business model ends.
vidarh 6 hours ago||||
You'd think this should encourage people to build carbon-copies of the tools that have been bought out in the hope of being bought out... It's only a sustainable model if it's fringe enough and with low enough purchase amounts to not eventually become an exit strategy for people who might not even have tried otherwise.
MengerSponge 2 hours ago||||
The competition to Overleaf is just running LaTeX locally, which costs approximately zero dollars and it's faster! But it's a little less convenient for a solo author, and a lot less convenient for a collaboration.
crypto137 3 hours ago|||
I mean there is a solution to this

"Can I buy your company?"

"No."

mft_ 5 hours ago||
A related but different approach I liked was taken by Amy Goodchild, who is an artist that uses code for her creations.

She encoded her handwriting as paths in JS (rather than as a font): https://www.amygoodchild.com/blog/cursive-handwriting-in-jav...

lastdong 4 hours ago|
This is really cool, educative and very well written.
sebastianconcpt 7 minutes ago||
Okay this is reaching me like 30 years later.

My current one I don't like it as much as the one I used to have. That old one would turn into a font and feel cool.

rustyhancock 4 hours ago||
My experience was a bit of a disaster.

It's worth noting that it's only at the end that it turns out you have 3 options for using the rows (you can't say use row 1&2 caps but row 3 lowercase)

For whatever reason it really struggled to detect the cross hairs. It thought the top right cross hair was the O.

I had intensely compress the black white range to make it detect at all.

What should it look like btw?

Also even though it detected A thru F great it kind of fell to pieces down the page suggesting that the registration isn't good enough to detect each block. Maybe let people mark the cross hairs manually?

More registration marks and ones that are more distinct than cross hairs would likely help. I used a high quality scan! So registration should have been muche asier than a photo.

I don't really know what's wrong!

varun_ch 1 hour ago|
The website does say that it was ‘vibe coded’[0] so perhaps the author didn’t test it very thoroughly? They apparently do ‘vibe coding’ courses so.. that’s something.

[0] https://arcade.pirillo.com/

rustyhancock 38 minutes ago||
It's really impressive for what it is.

I tried it various pens and paper sizes and printer scales. And it suddenly worked but only if scanned at low res (200DPI).

Still I got a partially working font at the end

bovermyer 2 hours ago||
Personally, I like that my handwriting has tiny inconsistencies in every character and rarely-repeated flourishes.

I don't want to manufacture something that looks like it, but loses the soul of it.

jaxn 2 hours ago||
I used something like this tool to create 10 different fonts of my handwriting. Then I wrote scripts to randomize which font was used for each character, ensuring that no word had that same variant of a single letter. It worked incredibly well for a personalized printed mail campaign. It really did look hand written.

edit: basically what DANmode replied to the same parent. I did this 10 years ago while running for political office.

noufalibrahim 2 hours ago|||
I agree. I make adjustments depending on which parts of the page I'm on and what I'm writing. This is a nice project but I'm not sure id want to use it for anything.
DANmode 2 hours ago|||
Coming Soon: Make multiple fonts of your handwriting samples, and have a robot interlace them pseudorandomly!
jwbron 1 hour ago||
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deposittag 5 hours ago||
I really wanted to make this work with my daughter. She's 9yo, and she filled out the form, and we scanned it with a real scanner. I'll admit we didn't have a felt tip pen, but we did have a grea black ink gell pen.

But something about the way the app applied the threshold on the scanned image, made the letters really broken. Maybe having a thicker pen would be the solution.

jdelman 4 hours ago||
I remember there was a service that would do this by mail in the 90s. You had to fill out a card with each block letter and then it cost a few hundred dollars. I wasn't even a teenager then so I couldn't afford it, but I always wanted to do it.
trentnelson 2 hours ago|
Well now I’m curious how they did it in the 90s. Some poor schmo doing pixel by pixel font creation?
axegon_ 7 hours ago||
Awesome! For anyone that think doctors' handwriting is unintelligible, wait till I give that thing a spin
toast0 2 hours ago||
My 3rd grade teacher wrote something like this regarding my handwriting in my final report card:

We've done all we can for toast0. But he'll have a secretary so it'll be fine

I never did get to have a secretary, but thanks to COVID learning losses, I do manage to have a lot better penmanship than about half of kids going into high school this year. :)

ynac 2 hours ago|||
We had a science teacher in 7th grade whose teaching style was all overhead notes. She'd give us time to copy them into our spiral bounds or 3-rings and when we were all done, she'd swap for the next slide.

She didn't lecture but she did tell stories about her farm, hunting, and occasionally some science. We could ask questions and tell stories if we finished copying the notes before everyone else was done. So, one of the takeaways from her class was getting very efficient and neat with my writing. I tried to write in a clean all caps and eventually learned which strokes were best for speed and spacing. I still use that hand-font and I always think of her sitting on the wall radiator laughing through some story of trying to fix a bad situation.

chrismorgan 1 hour ago|||
I never did get my pen license—they insisted on the dynamic tripod grasp, which I never could cope with (I prefer lateral quadrupod). So I and one other had to keep using pencils until the end of grade four, after which point they forgot about the matter.

My elder brother had (simplifying the story a lot) such bad handwriting that they let him type his year 12 exams, turning a possible disadvantage into a frankly unfair advantage, especially in English, where being able to output four times as fast is valuable. Wish I could have done that.

beardyw 6 hours ago|||
Yes, I thought something which could make my handwriting more like a font would be useful.
IAmBroom 6 hours ago||
I have long theorized that it is inscrutable for a reason: as a bar to laypeople reading a/o editing prescriptions.

Turning "30 pills of Pennicillin, refill 0 times" into "30 pills of OxyContin, refill 3 times" is much harder when you can't even figure out which part is the drug name.

(Kids who are about to point out this couldn't work: Prescriptions used to be hand-written on paper, and never checked by the then-inexistent interwebs.)

cestith 2 hours ago||
I know of someone who was let go from an employer when they contacted the doctor’s office whose stationary was used on the employee's many absence excuse notes. It turned out they were a gerontology office. The employee was in their early twenties.

Controlling access to stationary, prescription pads, and the office’s fax machine is one part. Making it hard to forge the doctor’s handwriting is another.

world2vec 7 hours ago||
Turning my handwriting into a font is akin to encrypt the text :-D
Thomashuet 8 hours ago|
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to support cursive, which is how I and most people I know write.
Daneel_ 8 hours ago|
I think that might be generational. I don’t know anyone under 40 who writes in cursive. I certainly don’t.
psychoslave 8 hours ago|||
That's not generational. Living in France I can ensure you that in primary school, kids still learn and use cursive as main writing system. I wasn't even aware anyone would use anything else to write by hand in Latin script.

I'm curious to get information about how people write elsewhere and how does it look.

47282847 5 hours ago|||
As for Germany, as far as I know only few states still teach cursive: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulausgangsschrift

The modern standard is a non-connected font https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundschrift

al_borland 4 hours ago||||
In the US, when I was in grade school we learned both, but almost all the kids chose to write in Latin script when given the option. I think we learned that first and it just stuck.

One day the school principal came into our class, pretty randomly, and tried to emphasize the importance of being proficient at reading and writing in cursive. It gave “old man yells at clouds” vibes at the time. Looking back, it wasn’t all that important.

My grandparents are of French decent and my grandfather’s cursive was very impressive. I may have been more interested in learning it in school if what we were learning was more aspirational, like his writing. We were taught the D'Nealian method[0], which I still find rather ugly for cursive. Their selling point to us was speed, not beauty, but I don’t know anyone who got quick with it.

I still remember a kid in my class who transferred from another school, I’m not sure where. His print handwriting was immaculate and beautiful. The teacher forced him to change to D'Nealian, even for his print writing, because that’s what was in the curriculum. It was so much worse. The kid was super upset about it. Here I am, 30+ years later still upset about it as well… and it wasn’t even me, I just witnessed the injustice. I felt really bad for him.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Nealian (cursive and print examples are here)

guenthert 7 hours ago||||
Yeah, no idea how print became handwriting and handwriting longhand/cursive, but that's how it is and has been for decades in the USA.
dpoloncsak 4 hours ago|||
Went through school in the early 2000s in US. We were taught cursive (script), but I don't think I've used it since school.

Seems odd, in hindsight, to teach hand-written prose uses a different set of symbols than when its typed out

tazjin 8 hours ago||||
It is probably country and language dependent, I think. I don't know anyone under 40 who doesn't write in cursive (in Russian), and for other languages I personally also write in cursive (and learnt that in school). I'm in my 30s.
jech 6 hours ago||
> I don't know anyone under 40 who doesn't write in cursive (in Russian)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/%D0%9B%D...

Understandable.

d1sxeyes 6 hours ago||
OP double negated - cursive is the norm for Russians of all ages.

Russian cursive is actually not that bad to read for the most part. Russian “print” is super awkward because all the characters are very angular.

There are some differences between generations (younger generations are more likely to write “т” in handwriting whereas the “correct” form looks more like a Latin “m”, but with obvious examples excluded (like the above), it just takes learning as a separate alphabet.

jech 47 minutes ago||
> cursive is the norm for Russians of all ages.

I know. I always feel utterly embarrassed when Russian-speaking friends write down a movie title for me, and I have to ask them to rewrite it in block capitals.

antonyh 7 hours ago||||
Conversely I don't know anyone who doesn't write in cursive. It's still taught in schools in the UK, and I still write with it and actively aim to improve.
siliconpotato 4 hours ago||
i'm in the UK and most people i know drop cursive for non-joined up handwriting as soon as they get the opportunity.
Angostura 8 hours ago||||
Still taught in uk primary schools as the fastest way to get words down in paper
guenthert 7 hours ago||
Makes me wonder whether there are diction tests (I feared/hated those with a passion) in the USA?
IAmBroom 6 hours ago||
Never even heard that term before. So: no.
guenthert 5 hours ago||
Too late to edit, 'dictation' was meant. Seems I still suck at spelling ;-/
BoredPositron 8 hours ago|||
It's more cultural than generational.
IAmBroom 5 hours ago||
It's both. In the US, schools are turning away from teaching cursive, which clearly makes a generational cut.
galangalalgol 5 hours ago||
My understanding is that they started turning away from it, but have turned back in many states. We were told it was important that we delay teaching our child typing until they had finished learning cursive because it had been discovered that teaching cursive developed something or other that I zoned out on while waiting to ask when that would be. Education has fads that don't seem to line up with peer reviewed articles that well. For instance, current reading instruction is non optimal for dyslexic students, while early 20th century instruction seems to (not entirely intentionally) worked much better.

Edit: Apparently it has to do with dyslexia and executive functioning. California and Texas amongst others have now required it be resumed. So there is a roughly decade long gap in cursive in the us, maybe a little less.

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