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Posted by robin_reala 13 hours ago

Ireland shuts last coal plant, becomes 15th coal-free country in Europe (2025)(www.pv-magazine.com)
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redfloatplane 12 hours ago|
(June 2025)
elAhmo 11 hours ago||
I always wondered why someone decides to post something fairly old, as this is 'not really news' given it is so old.
rob74 11 hours ago|||
Because they somehow stumbled upon the article, thought it was interesting, and submitted it, not necessarily looking at the date?
s_dev 9 hours ago||||
It's not that old in the context of energy generation which operates over years and decades.
elAhmo 9 hours ago||
It is old in context of an event happening and we are being informed of it a year later, regardless of how 'slow moving' the underlying thing is.
DonsDiscountGas 10 hours ago||||
It's new to me. Also is not even a year old, should we only allow info from the last week?
elAhmo 9 hours ago||
Not everyone is supposed to read every single news. There will always be someone who didn't see it, but that is not my point.

It would feel weird to see this as a headline on a newspaper or on TV today, but maybe that is just me and people like to read new that are from last year.

throwaway613746 11 hours ago|||
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fdefitte 5 hours ago||
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know-how 10 hours ago||
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paganel 9 hours ago||
Suicidal move, Europe wide.
okokwhatever 10 hours ago||
Once they see the oil rising this week plans will be shut down till new notice.
rsynnott 5 hours ago|
This happened almost a year ago. Ireland has no normal oil generation capacity (ironically moneypoint has been retained as an emergency-only oil burning plant til 2030, but it would generally only be used in this capacity as an emergency measure when gas plants unexpectedly go down).
nixass 10 hours ago||
Germany on the other hands..
bengale 10 hours ago||
I'm not sure it's fair to give Germany too much grief on this front. They are actively destroying their industrial base in a desire to hit net-zero.
brazzy 10 hours ago||
...has been massively reducing its usage of coal (down almost 40% since 2011) and committed to phase it out entirely by 2038.
nxm 10 hours ago||
Meanwhile China and India are building out coal plants at record pace
Synaesthesia 8 hours ago||
China is deploying more nuclear and solar than anyone, and their coal use actually went down last year.

India is still developing and per capita uses a fraction of the western world.

But globally solar and battery use are exploding. We really are living in the green revolution that was so talked about in the 90's and 2000's

tzs 2 hours ago|||
1. Emissions matter, not the particular fuel source they come from. Most places cannot meet 100% of their needs, or even 100% of their growth in needs, with renewables so they must use and even grow some fossil fuel sources.

India has vast coal reservers, and is the second largest producer in the world, whereas they aren't a major oil producer. Hence they use coal. Similar with China.

If the story was about some country shutting down their last natural gas plant instead of their last coal plant, no doubt someone would be pointing out that meanwhile the US is increasing natural gas production at a record pace.

In 2025 the US added 7 GW of natural gas electricity capacity, and India added 7 GW of coal. Natural gas generates about 1/2 the CO2 as coal, but India has over 4x the population, so the US added about twice as much new emissions per capita.

But we also need to consider how much renewables were added. That will be part of point #3.

2. India's emissions are 2 tons per year per capita, which is under 1/2 of the global average, which is about 1/3 the EU average, 1/5 of China, and 1/7 of the USA. Even if it takes them longer to get off fossil fuels than the other large countries they are likely to never come near the emissions levels per capita of those other countries.

3. They are actually making better progress at this than most others. 50% of electricity used in India is renewable, compared to 25% in the US, 40% in China, and 47% in the EU.

They are not just adding coal. They are adding wind and solar at record paces too. In 2025 they added around 7 GW of coal capacity last year, 38 GW of solar, and 6 GW of wind.

The US is doing the same, but with natural gas rather than coal. 7 GW of natural gas, 25 GW of solar, 13 GW of wind. About the same percentage of renewables (~90%) as India.

4. Yes, per capita is the correct measure, because the atmosphere is very efficient at distributing CO2 emitted anywhere to everywhere. A ton of CO2 has the same impact no matter where it is emitted. Unless you can make a good argument that some people have some sort of natural or divine right to a bigger share of whatever CO2 budget we decide Earth can afford, it has to be per capita.

crote 9 hours ago|||
China is building solar panels at a record pace, and building wind turbines at a record pace, and building nuclear power plants at a record pace. Meanwhile, the construction rate of coal plants has been dropping over the last decade and a half.
triceratops 9 hours ago|||
Classic lie by omission. Or you're only reading right-wing media, in which case you can learn something and stop repeating this nonsense.

In 2024 88% of new electricity in China came from renewables. https://www.eia.gov/international/analysis/country/chn

They build new coal plants as a backup, or to replace existing older plants. But they're very clearly not using them more than they already were. They burn coal because they have coal, just like the US burns gas because the fracking boom made gas cheap.

India is not doing as well as China but it is still improving. In 2024 64% of electricity growth came from coal, but that's down from 91% in 2023. https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/india/

I think they'll follow China's lead soon. The economics are inevitable. Ember projects India will be at 42% renewable electricity by 2030, up from 10% today. This is obviously staggering renewables growth in a poor country.

The same source projects the US will be at 59% by then https://ember-energy.org/countries-and-regions/united-states... and it's already at 58% today. So basically 0 renewables growth in the richest country in the world.

Both India and China lack oil. Reducing fossil fuel usage is a national security issue for them. They're also poorer. As solar and wind become the cheapest sources of electricity, thanks mostly to China, they're going to rapidly transition. No dumb political games.

deanc 9 hours ago||
Unclear to me why you've been downvoted here. The data clearly shows that China is taking more serious action on this issue than any other developed or developing economy.
triceratops 6 hours ago|||
It's pretty clear to me. China and India are convenient boogeymen for climate change deniers and fossil fuel shills.
zahlman 5 hours ago|||
I didn't downvote (as the information is correct and relevant) but I flagged. Accusing others up front of lying, or of being motivated by various political outgroup boogeymen, is not on.

It's not greyed out for me, either.

triceratops 4 hours ago||
If someone gives incorrect information in a shallow, dismissive way they're either lying or seriously misinformed.

> being motivated by various political outgroup boogeymen

If OP wasn't lying then they were misinformed. I made reasonable guesses to the source of that misinformation. I didn't attribute any political motives to OP themselves.

I don't see how "right-wing" or "right-wing media" is an "outgroup". And it isn't a boogeyman because the majority of the "climate change is fake but it's China's fault anyway" opinion pieces come from there.

Did you also flag OP's lies/propagation of incorrect information? If you did, I appreciate your consistency and fair-mindedness. If you didn't, then why not? What's worse - lies/propagating ignorance or being slightly curt?

Btw OP told this same lie 2 days ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47282625 and was corrected by someone else. They are clearly not a good faith poster.

jakobnissen 10 hours ago||
China is not - Chinas coal consumption is stagnating with about zero growth from 2024 to 2025.

China is far more serious than the EU about the green transition. Despite being poorer than the poorest EU country they are dominating renewable deployment.

I think that attitude is poorly informed whataboutism.

lugu 8 hours ago||
Interestingly, per capita, china is worst than EU, and will be way worst in 10 years.
yanhangyhy 8 hours ago|
Try produce everything yourself and then call it coal-free