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Posted by Samin100 4 days ago

Willingness to look stupid(sharif.io)
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gopalv 17 hours ago|
> The writing isn’t the problem. The problem is that when I’m done, I look at what I just wrote and think this is definitely not good enough to publish.

Ira Glass has a nice quote which is worth printing out and hanging on your wall

Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste. But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not. But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you. A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit. Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this. And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work.

Or if you're into design thinking, the Cult-of-Done[1] was a decade ago.

[1] - https://medium.com/@bre/the-cult-of-done-manifesto-724ca1c2f...

randallsquared 17 hours ago|
That's the exact opposite of OP's issue, right? He was producing, and it was good, but somewhere along the way he developed good taste (or some facsimile). Ira is claiming that people who are creative beginners start with good taste, which doesn't seem to be the case for a lot of us.
tyleo 5 hours ago||
I have a principle similar to this. The First Idiot Principle: never be afraid to be the first idiot in the room. Usually others have the same reservations you do about sharing.

If you want to hear more I wrote a small post.

https://www.tyleo.com/blog/the-first-idiot-principle

mygooch 3 hours ago|
I have no problem being the first, it's that I'm also the ~3rd, ~9th, ~24th and then they realize, wait, he's not a creative genius at all, we hired a total fucking retard!

Just when they give up on you hit em with a masterpiece.

You can roil economies by acting like this.

bob1029 14 hours ago||
> The overwhelming majority of mutations end up being harmful or neutral. An exceedingly small fraction are beneficial.

Neutral drift is perhaps the most important part of evolution. It's how you preserve diversity over time and avoid getting stuck in holes in the fitness landscape.

If we only ever made steps that improved performance we'd inevitably see premature convergence. The neutral drift can overpower progress toward a global minimum, but it's a lot better to be going in circles than to not be moving at all. Diversity collapse is the worst thing that can happen to an evolutionary algorithm. You must reject superior solutions with some probability in order to make it to the next step. You can always change your selection pressure. You can't fix information that doesn't exist anymore.

jodrellblank 6 hours ago|
> “You can't fix information that doesn't exist anymore.”

Assuming there’s no Deity or similar outside power seeding the initial system with information that can only be lost and never gained, then any information in the evolutionary system got there by some process that happened once, and presumably can happen again and fix (rediscover) the lost information?

bob1029 57 minutes ago||
The first law of thermodynamics has a pretty strong take on this one.
wcfrobert 16 hours ago||
Good advice to the younger folks. You can afford to look stupid. So go ahead and do that thing you wanted to try. There's more acceptance because of your age. You're expected to fail in some ways.

Once you have a mortgage, a reputation to maintain, an image of competence to uphold at work, you pretty much can't afford to look stupid in my opinion.

ghywertelling 14 hours ago||
Max Tegmark, a cosmologist and MIT professor, is known for his "provocative ideas" and has a self-imposed rule regarding his work: "Every time I've written ten mainstream papers, I allow myself to indulge in writing one wacky one". This approach allows him to pursue unconventional, "crazy" theories without jeopardizing his reputation as a serious scientist.
themafia 14 hours ago|||
Intelligence and ignorance are two different things. It is a sign of intelligence to be able to acknowledge your ignorance when it exists. Then you use your intelligence to correct that. Even with a mortgage this has never failed me. 20 years, 2 employers due to an ownership change, and several RIFs survived.

The power of saying, "I don't know, but I will find out" is underestimated.

Jensson 16 hours ago||
Trump and Elon still afford to look stupid, you can do it your whole life.
b3lvedere 15 hours ago||
There's a huge 'Emperor's New Clothes' vibe going on with those two.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes

cushychicken 6 hours ago||
A few weeks ago my friend Aadil and I were at Whole Foods buying a birthday cake for a friend. We wanted to write something clever on the cake but couldn’t really think of anything. We stood around thinking for a few minutes before Aadil said "Let's just say a bunch of bad ideas out loud so we can get to the good ones." And it worked!

It's a well known creative / brainstorming trick that the best way to have a lot of good ideas is to have a lot of ideas.

Focus on genesis decoupled from critique, then critique later.

chris_money202 12 hours ago||
There’s different levels to stupidity as well, coming up with a “bad” idea, writing a very brief prototype of it, and presenting it to a senior for feedback is one level that is typically harmless. Coming up with a “bad” idea, going skunkworks on it and when you think you have something demoing it to many seniors and managers and showing them you’ve been working out of scope for a month on a bad side project that doesn’t work while the rest of the team is burdened in tasks is another much higher level
PotatoShadow 16 hours ago||
This reminded me of this essay by Isaac Asimov on creativity

https://www.technologyreview.com/2014/10/20/169899/isaac-asi...

dugidugout 8 hours ago|
I enjoyed this read. Thank you for sharing!
beaker52 10 hours ago||
I don’t mind looking stupid. It’s actually an important part of my identity - I lay my humanity bare. I am of flesh after all.

I’m starting to suspect that it’s making it more difficult for me to land a job though. I don’t know. There’s something about it. It’s almost as if businesses aren’t hiring human beings, but I can’t quite put my finger on it.

MinimalAction 17 hours ago||
It's a numbers game in the end. Law of large numbers at play again. The noise drops with more tries.

I suppose the corporate culture thinking is exactly opposite to this with metrics like efficiency, productivity etc. You cannot afford to try a lot and look stupider.

throwawaysleep 17 hours ago|
Efficiency, metrics, and willingness to look stupid works when nobody has much future power over you. If you can just refresh to a new pool, that is fine but if it is the same pool, it has consequences.

I was on an interview panel for a role and a guy lost out on the role because about 18 months prior, he had asked too many questions one time and because of that the PM thought he struggled to grasp concepts.

One meeting did in his promo.

paulluuk 16 hours ago||
> One meeting did in his promo.

Although true, I feel it's worth adding here that the problem is that PM. While looking stupid by asking questions can "do you in" when working with incompetent managers like that, I'd argue that most managers will look at results -- and asking dumb questions can lead to much better results compared to just staying quiet and hoping for the best.

stefap2 17 hours ago|
I found it gets easier as you get older. Somehow I care much less what others think
b3lvedere 15 hours ago||
I find it incredibly easy on people and processes my life does not depend on being the way it is. I find it incredibly annoying and unconfortable when around people and processes my life depends on.
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