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Posted by dahlia 7 hours ago

Is legal the same as legitimate: AI reimplementation and the erosion of copyleft(writings.hongminhee.org)
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kccqzy 4 hours ago||
> When GNU reimplemented the UNIX userspace, the vector ran from proprietary to free. Stallman was using the limits of copyright law to turn proprietary software into free software. […] The vector in the chardet case runs the other way.

That’s just your subjective opinion which many other people would disagree. I bet Armin Ronacher would agree that an MIT licensed library is even freer than an LGPL licensed library. To them, the vector is running from free to freer.

t43562 4 hours ago||
Why does anyone need his new library? They can do what he did and make their own.

I'm glad we can fork things at a point and thumb our noses at those who wish to cash in on other's work.

warkdarrior 4 hours ago|
Why would I make my own? The new library is released under MIT license and faster than the old one.
t43562 4 hours ago||
If you decide to improve it in any way to fit your needs you can merely tell your own AI to re-implement it with your changes. Then it's proprietary to you.
mh2266 2 hours ago||
Buried in here: Mark Pilgrim suddenly reappearing after his sudden disappearance years ago! Has he been up to anything since then?
strongpigeon 4 hours ago||
I feel like the licenses that suffer the most isn't the GPL, but the ones like SSPL. If your code can be re-implemented easily and legally by AWS using an LLM, why risk publishing it?

It does feel like open source is about to change. My hunch is that commercial open source (beyond the consultation model) risks disappearing. Though I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

grahamlee 4 hours ago||
It's clear that we're entering a new era of copyright _expectations_ (whether we get new _legislation_ is different), but for now realise this: the people like me who like copyleft can do this too. We can take software we like, point an agent at it, and tell it to make a new version with the AGPL3.0-or-later badge on the front.
anonymous_sorry 4 hours ago||
But the LLM contributions would likely be ruled public domain, so AGPL may not be enforceable on these.
armchairhacker 4 hours ago||
The point of GPL is to restrict distribution. If there’s already an MIT version, it’s useless.
enriquto 2 hours ago|||
> The point of GPL is to restrict distribution.

no, it isn't. The point of the GPL is to grant users of the software four basic freedoms (run, study, modify and redistribute). There's no restriction to distribution per se, other than disallowing the removal of these freedoms to other users.

grahamlee 4 hours ago|||
but the point of an EULA is to restrict distribution, so AGPL3 can help there.
sayrer 4 hours ago||
I don't think this part is correct: "If you distribute modified code, or offer it as a networked service, you must make the source available under the same terms."

That's what something like AGPL does.

dwroberts 5 hours ago||
One of the things that irks me about this whole thing is, if it’s so clean room and distinct, why make the changes to the existing project? Why not make an entirely new library?

The answer to that, I think, is that the authors wanted to squat an existing successful project and gain a platform from it. Hence we have news cycle discussing it.

Nobody cares about a new library using AI, but squash an existing one with this stuff, and you get attention. It’s the reputation, the GitHub stars, whatever

nicole_express 4 hours ago||
I mean, Blanchard was the longtime maintainer of chardet already, and had wanted to relicense it for years. So I think that complicates your picture of "squatting an existing successful project".

Honestly it's a weird test case for this sort of thing. I don't think you'd see an equivalent in most open source projects.

intrasight 4 hours ago||
I agree. But you can't copyright goodwill and reputation. Trademark does provide some protection there, right?
hexyl_C_gut 4 hours ago||
I'm less concerned about AI eroding copyleft and more exited about AI eroding copy right.
mwkaufma 4 hours ago|
A lot of untagged IANAL takes here today.
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