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Posted by heresie-dabord 2 hours ago

Jolla on track to ship new phone with Sailfish OS, user-replaceable battery(liliputing.com)
114 points | 67 comments
elseleigh 25 minutes ago|
I had a SailfishOS phone for four years; an Xperia XA2+. The operating system was wonderful, and being able to run Android apps when there was no alternative was a good way of filling in the gaps in the Jolla store.

However, as I've got older I find large phones more and more unwieldy, and I couldn't find a small enough SailfishOS phone to switch to. I'm now running LineageOS on a Jelly Star. The form factor is perfect for me.

Would I return to SailfishOS? Absolutely. But there'd need to be a small phone in the line up for me to migrate to.

onli 9 minutes ago||
Which version of LOS do you run exactly? Did you compile it yourself, or did you pick a pre-made version? One from XDA?

I ask, because the device is not officially supported by LineageOS, but if it works well with a different approach it would be an interesting option for me as well.

jzkdroid 9 minutes ago||
Can you use teams/outlook on your jelly star? I've been wondering how bad the ux could be in real world use.
nottorp 1 hour ago||
Are these non Google non Apple phones viable any more?

Considering you almost can't do banking, and in some places interact with the government, without a locked down phone...

rolandog 45 minutes ago||
They will be able to do banking at least once the legislators tear down the walled gardens in a sensible way. Are the security benefits from the Appstore/Playstore real or security theatre?

I'm pretty sure that, if there are security benefits, they have been artificially tied to the use of the company's distribution method, that coincidentally really needs to be sending usage statistics, monitoring, etc. Surely there exist no conflicts of interest to be found.

Cpoll 36 minutes ago||
Would you bet your company on that happening soon? :)
amarant 25 minutes ago|||
Looks like the Swedish bankid at the very least actually does work on sailfish[1]!

Not sure about equivalent apps for other regions, but I don't see why they shouldn't work.

[1] https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/swedish-bank-id-swish/11781/3

poulpy123 57 minutes ago|||
Afaik there is an android compatibility layer but I don't know if it allows banking apps to works
lukeasch21 49 minutes ago|||
It would not in principle, those rely on hardware backed keys with Google's latest iteration of Google Play Integrity. The only success people have had is by using leaked vendor keys and spoofing device fingerprints for old A11-era devices which did not have the hardware baked in. In time even this avenue will no longer work. People have been trying to get around it for a while [1] but afaik the concept is cryptographically airtight.

[1] https://xdaforums.com/t/discussion-the-root-and-mod-hiding-f...

HNisCIS 53 minutes ago|||
Maybe I'm out of the loop but what is everyone doing with banking apps on their phones that's so essential. I see this argument all the time but it's baffling to me.
Tade0 19 minutes ago|||
MFA largely, some banks also provide wallets for contactless payments.

I refuse to have my browser fingerprinted as a "trusted device" because part my bank is just bad at it.

distances 48 minutes ago||||
For quite many banks a mobile phone is now the only 2FA they support.
NewJazz 24 minutes ago|||
So glad my brokerage supports good old totp.
nottorp 43 minutes ago|||
Or worse.

My bank closed down their old online banking site and the new one needs the phone for 2FA... but ... drumroll ...

... the idiots also want me to keep using the token device to log in before approving the log in via my phone.

Security theater.

fsflover 19 minutes ago||
So switch the bank? Worked for me.
IshKebab 20 minutes ago|||
Paying for things? Transferring money? What else do you do with a bank account?
BoredPositron 46 minutes ago||
If you use it without compatibility layer it's probably on the same level as a kaios phone. There is a lot of slop on the sailfish store.
muhehe 1 hour ago||
I really wish them success, but I just can't see it anymore. I had the first version and it seems it didn't move much forward from that time. And there were also many screwups, as poisonborz reminded a bit earlier.

Their UI looked novel, but wasn't that great in practice. It wasn't stable (hopefully that changed) and the lack of real apps was killing it before and now even more, as more banks/govs require some "trusted" apps

fractallyte 14 minutes ago|
I dispute your assertion: Sailfish's UI is WAY ahead of iOS and Android. It's simple, consistent, and intuitive; a complete contrast to the mess of iOS and the clunkiness of Android. As for stability, native Sailfish apps on my Xperia XA2 seldom, if ever, crash.

And, to my eyes, it simply looks better.

kombine 58 minutes ago||
The absence of eSIM is a deal breaker for me. I need to travel to the US for work and last time I was there I was having a hard time to find a physical SIM for the phone I had then.
slipheen 48 minutes ago||
I certainly do not want to try to talk you into this particular phone – but just in the general case so you know, it's pretty easy to get physical Sims that you can download an eSIM onto.
microtonal 28 minutes ago||
In 2026, I would not want to travel to the US with a phone that does not have the level of device security of a Pixel with GrapheneOS or an iPhone.

(I actually do not want to travel to the US, period. But that's a different story.)

fractallyte 8 minutes ago||
Regarding the issues of banking apps: if the EU is serious about tech sovereignty, it's up to members to mandate that banks allow their apps to run on Sailfish, or other alternative operating systems. It really is as simple as that.

(But whether any EU member is capable of rising to this (very shallow) challenge... well, I'm justifiably cynical.)

joecool1029 1 hour ago||
Americans/Canadians (and I guess Asians since they won't ship there) don't waste your time reading this, they have a Mediatek SoC and made the choice long ago to not touch these markets. The devices will not carry the band support needed for these markets.

Europeans, I guess good luck, have fun. I followed them in the early days and ran early builds of Sailfish on the N9, had high hopes but have long given up on them.

EDIT: I will say though I'm still impressed by the libhybris project which went on to make it possible to run linux distros on android SoC's, but the guy who did that for Jolla I think is not with the company anymore for some time.

_imnothere 1 hour ago||
So many years and they can't(or refuse to?) ship to Asia, ridiculous.
notorandit 57 minutes ago||
I would like it to have also hardware video output.

Then I could become a PC in our pocket.

fsflover 50 minutes ago|
Librem 5 already exists: https://puri.sm/posts/my-first-year-of-librem-5-convergence/
curt15 1 minute ago||
How can a review of a smartphone not comment on how well it works as a phone?
rzerowan 2 hours ago||
This is why i keep saying the Jolla management neds a rethink. Its 2026 GraphenOS is in a partnership with Motorola while Jolla is still doing early 2K style kickstarter campaigns.

The market is there , product is loved and ppeople have proved they are willing to take some pain adopting the product.But still the execution to serve that market is shambolic to say the least.

polar 1 hour ago|
Jolla does have an arrangement with Sony, so there are a few other device options: https://docs.sailfishos.org/Support/Supported_Devices/
ChrisArchitect 2 hours ago|
Previously:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47216037

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