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Posted by matthieu_bl 1 hour ago

Mark Zuckerberg creating new Applied AI engineering company, reorganises teams(timesofindia.indiatimes.com)
90 points | 51 comments
tomhow 38 minutes ago|
Can anyone find any more authoritative sources for this story than I can?

The original source submitted was https://www.idnfinancials.com/news/61918/zuckerberg-has-fini..., with the headline Zuckerberg has “finished” with Alexandr Wang, worth US$14 billion.

The second paragraph says “According to a report by Times of India...”. I found that article - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/mar... – and changed the URL and title on this submission (though I find it hard to read the article without freezing/crashing Chrome on my quite-new Apple laptop).

I can't find a source for the claim that Zuckerberg has “finished” with Alexandr Wang in either article. Nobody is quoted using the word “finished” or making any other assertions about Wang's status at Meta. It all just seems to be IDN Financials handwavingly connecting dots to create a sensationalist story and headline.

Also, the Times of India article says “According to The Wall Street Journal...”, which must mean this article: Meta to Create New Applied AI Engineering Organization – https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/meta-to-create-new-applied-ai-en....

That article also makes no assertions about Wang's status at Meta.

As that article is the original source for this whole story, it should be the URL and title for this submission. But I can't get an archive link for it.

For now I'm downweighting this submission and I want the last 30 minutes of my life back!

siva7 6 minutes ago|
ai slop meets clickbait. what a future
mikert89 50 minutes ago||
People seriously underestimate how many founders were just right place at the right time/had their startups pumped full of VC cash. Meet some of these unicorn founders in person behind closed doors and it will throw you into an existential crisis
siva7 1 minute ago|
the fun part - it doesn't matter if his professional reputation is that of a clown. He is still a billionaire clown and you, my friend, may be a genius but dependent on the hand that feeds you for the rest of your existence.
pants2 1 hour ago||
The HN post[1] eight months ago about the Scale acquisition is full of comments questioning Zuck's choice to have Wang lead their AI division. I guess HN was right this time.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44268197

mips_avatar 1 hour ago||
The striking thing I heard from Meta staff is that Alexandr Wang would walk around campus with very obvious bodyguards surrounding him. Like sure maybe security is needed, but the decision to be surrounded with bouncerish guys says something about him.
DonThomasitos 1 hour ago||
But even on campus? Weird.
mips_avatar 42 minutes ago||
Yeah on campus apparently
UltraSane 1 hour ago|||
That is just being obnoxiously self important.
0xy 1 hour ago||
It could be required by the company. Many companies require top executives to have personal security. I'd be surprised if Zuck didn't have bodyguards even within the office. He has 24/7 security outside, so why wouldn't he inside?
mips_avatar 41 minutes ago||
I think the notes about Alexander I’ve heard is just how obvious his were
briga 1 hour ago||
What are the odds that Zuckerberg would still be CEO if he didn't have a majority stake in the company? From the outside it seems like he has made one terrible financial decision after the next. Can anyone be surprised that things aren't going smoothly given his track record?
ergocoder 1 hour ago||
Given that he has been running the company for many years and the valuation/profit/or whatever has gone up 100x times, I'd say the board is probably gonna be patient with the guy.

Imagine the guy made you $1.4 trillion dollars but lost $14 billions. Would you fire him?

carabiner 1 hour ago|||
I would.
jjee 58 minutes ago|||
After enough chances, yeah. Zuck probably has a few more big mistakes to go before the stock price is crushed and flat lines for awhile… in that environment a change of CEO would be needed.
milesskorpen 1 hour ago|||
Facebook stock is up 6x in ~3 years, so the market does not agree with your assessment of his track record.
ProfessorLayton 1 hour ago|||
And in the last 4.5y it's up 70% while the S&P500 is up 51% in the same time period, not quite as exciting eh?
function_seven 59 minutes ago||
Beating the index by 40% after 2 decades as a company? Yeah, still good.
ProfessorLayton 47 minutes ago||
Well we just went from "6x" to "40%" and "good" so, yeah... not quite as exciting.
briga 1 hour ago||||
Astonishingly. I just find it funny that one person can be responsible for wasting hundreds of millions of dollars and still keep their job.
ergocoder 1 hour ago|||
Because he made many more billions... Not sure why this is difficult to understand though. It's a simple subtraction.
mosura 1 hour ago|||
Easy: be responsible at the same time for tens of billions in upside.

Post VR it is not like investors don’t know what this is. Meta bets and bets big.

dmix 1 hour ago|||
Some people in tech want companies to innovate and take risks by spending on R&D instead of just funneling it back to investors or safer existing markets, others will complain that they took those risks and failed despite still running profitable businesses.
semiquaver 1 hour ago||
meta is spending an absolute boat load on R&D and taking massive risks. It seems like your actual position is “company bad”
dmix 49 minutes ago||
I'm in the former group where I personally support Meta taking risks on big ideas while still being profitable. Just like SpaceX and others. I don't blame Mark for getting excited about AR which is very likely a big market in the future, the gamble on the tech being affordable enough was just far too early for the scale of investment. Their investments there might still pay off as it gets cheaper.
carefree-bob 1 hour ago|||
Unfortunately looking at CEOs that don't have a majority stake but make one terrible decision after another (waves to Satya) I think odds are pretty good he'd still be around.
em500 1 hour ago|||
You mean his terrible financial decisions of founding a company in 2004 that IPO at 104B within eight years, and now 14 years on is valued at 1.6T? Are we looking different track records?
isahers 1 hour ago||
The decision to buy scale and put Wang in charge was a bad one, but I think people are too focused on the $14B (which doesn't matter to Meta in the slightest) instead of the actual logic behind the purchase. Meta didn't need more labeled data, and a data labeling expert is not the person to lead your AI initiatives. I think spending $14B to try and get ahead in the AI race is a great idea, and Meta should be spending more money (there is some level of existential risk if they don't play in this market), but spending it on companies like Scale makes no sense.
HDThoreaun 59 minutes ago|
This seems like the right take to me. Meta made $60 bil net profit on their last earnings report. With Mark unaccountable to investors effectively all of that can be funneled into their AI initiative. With their massive distribution network I think it makes sense for them to take big risks because if they fall behind they dont suffer a penalty from declining user base. It just never made sense for this to be the risk they took
stevenicr 28 minutes ago||
A new applied AI? A new team with access to fbook?

Challenge: take all the real estate / house for rent / sale scammers and make them only be seen by each other and not waste so many other people's time.

I'm sure an agent could of taken the fb message and then engaged in the sms phone texts and deciphered the affiliate scam I dealt with today faster than I did.

Save users time, money and make fbook better. I think this is possible.

nekitamo 1 hour ago||
I've participated in some corporate shit-shows in my day, but man I don't think I've ever seen one burn cash this fast.

Another thought: they say the software you ship reflects your org chart ("you ship your org chart"). Given how far Meta has slipped in the last year in the AI race, their org-wide dysfunction is starting to seriously harm them, from Financials to execution to talent. They need to get their act together, starting from the top.

I'm not a fan of Meta, but I'm a big fan of Llama. It was the first notable open weights model, and paved the way for all the others. Just for that I want to say: I'm rooting for you guys. Hope an amazing Llama 5 release comes after all this pain and churn.

rvz 1 hour ago|
These sort of people do not care about any of us.

Meta is building a more powerful version of Llama that is likely not going to be open-weight anymore and will move to being closed up. [0].

You're more likely going to be using Deepseek v4 or Deepseek R2 as an open weight model than Llama 5 at this point.

[0] https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20251211PD206/meta-llama-dev...

spenvo 1 hour ago||
I guess this comment got merged into a different thread (the times of india one). This comment was originally posted to this article's thread https://www.idnfinancials.com/news/61918/zuckerberg-has-fini...

This looks like a slop article. It seems to be referring (without a link) to https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/mar... which itself appears to be referring to this (without a link) https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/meta-to-create-new-applied-ai-en... Neither of these articles include the word "finished" in them.

Update: and fwiw here is Andy Stone saying it's false https://x.com/andymstone/status/2031129981267620314

bitpush 55 minutes ago|
This is the only sensible take. This article is based on an Indian publication. It is true we'll never get the full story but this is pretty weak.

I mean, I'll be happy when this happens but today aint it.

neko_ranger 44 minutes ago|
Unfortunate isn't the right word, but it's unfortunate they are going to spend all this money and have nothing to show for it. Maybe wasteful is the right word.
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