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Posted by Vermin2000 2 hours ago

Rendezvous with Rama(blog.engora.com)
67 points | 71 commentspage 2
mattschaller 1 hour ago|
I remember hearing that Morgan Freeman was going to star in the Rendezvous with Rama movie. I also remember hearing once that they were making a 2061 and 3001 movie. Not quite sure which series I enjoyed more.
Vermin2000 2 hours ago||
Some thoughts on the novel: its strengths and weaknesses, why it's so different from other first contact novels. I'd love to hear people's views of the novel.
stevenwoo 2 hours ago|
Like the other poster wrote, interesting mystery/plot, poor characterization shared with all of his work I have read - one thing that sticks out was the overly long bit about the man’s fascination with his female partner’s breasts in zero gravity could be taken as weird.
hermitcrab 47 minutes ago||
Clarke was widely believed to be gay/bisexual when it was illegal in the UK. Perhaps he was overcompensating?
wsowens 2 hours ago||
Rendezvous with Rama was one of my favorites as a teenager, hopefully the film adaptation does it justice.
ggm-at-algebras 2 hours ago||
If he'd stopped after one, it would have been fine. He decided to do a series. It got weird. I still read them but the original is a decent standalone and you won't die unhappy if you never read the following.

The same could be said of 2001.

rbanffy 2 hours ago||
2010 is also good. The movie is also competent, but it could never fill the shoes 2001 left.
twoodfin 1 hour ago||
I am a big fan of both films, and have over many years come to the firm conclusion that, while 2010: The Year We Make Contact could never live up to its best-films-of-all-time predecessor, it’s both a terrific film on its own merits and could be tweaked even today to be better.

What it needs, fundamentally, is the Blade Runner treatment: Kill the expository voiceover, tighten up the edit, make the ending less sentimental and more mysterious.

Analemma_ 2 hours ago|||
Officially, all the Rama sequels were co-authored by Clarke and Gentry Lee. Clarke claimed that Lee did virtually all the writing and he was only a consultant, although AFAICT the only source for this claim was in an interview many years after they were published, presumably after Clarke was aware of their negative reception, so who knows how much of that is true vs. reputation management.

But yeah, they're awful. I read them when I was 12-13 and it was one of my first introductions to the idea that sequels to great books could be so bad (and then for some reason I went on to read the Brian Herbert Dune prequels, which are even worse). Read the first one, and pretend it stopped there.

metaphor 2 hours ago|||
In my mind, the prose of the sequels were so unlike Clarke when I read them as a teen that it created a long stint of aversion towards spending time on anything with co-authors. I owe Rendezvous a lot though; had I not discovered that book as a kid, there's little chance I'd be reading recreationally today.
rendleflag 2 hours ago||||
The sequel series was one of my favorite sets of books. It’s markedly different from Rendezvous, but I found them an enjoyable read. It was contrived at points, but the series had my favorite ending for a character.
ggm-at-algebras 2 hours ago|||
It would seem passing strange that Gentry Lee came up with all the awful bits and the consulting oversight didn't.
BeetleB 2 hours ago|||
I've read almost all of Arthur C. Clarke's novels. The Rama sequels are nothing like his work. It's easy to believe that he barely contributed.
rbanffy 2 hours ago||
By the same time he did The Hammer of God, which is great.
rbanffy 2 hours ago|||
I always felt that Gentry Lee kidnapped Clarke and forced him to be his co-author.

Clarke was so much of a better writer than the [2010|Rama] sequels indicate. He would not be able to screw it up so thoroughly without extensive "help".

Clarke also made some good partnerships - Richter 10 is a very good book. Sadly, the partner died and never worked with Clarke again. Gentry Lee would be my main suspect.

XorNot 2 hours ago||
I thought 3001 was fine and a good conclusion.

Although it seemed implausible in the setting that humanity wasn't immortal given some of the technology.

rbanffy 2 hours ago|||
I feel the stories got successively smaller from 2010 and on. 2010's epilogue hints at the developments after 20,000 years, and 2061 and 3001 feel small in comparison.

2010 is a good follow on to the 2001 book, and answers some of the questions the first book left while expanding the mysteries and the sense of wonder.

My wife and I still quote it when answering questions such as what's for dinner.

"Something wonderful".

zem 2 hours ago|||
I remember 3001 mainly for the bit about deism vs theism, which is one of my favourite throwaway passages in all of sf.

8<-------------------

"You said that all the old religions have been discredited. So what do people believe nowadays?"

"As little as possible. We’re all either Deists or Theists."

"You’ve lost me. Definitions, please."

"They were slightly different in your time, but here are the latest versions. Theists believe there’s not more than one God; Deists that there is not less than one God."

"I’m afraid the distinction’s too subtle for me."

"Not for everyone; you’d be amazed at the bitter controversies it’s aroused. Five centuries ago, someone used what’s known as surreal mathematics to prove there’s an infinite number of grades between Theists and Deists. Of course, like most dabblers with infinity, he went insane."

qingcharles 2 hours ago|||
All I remember from 3001 was a bit about velociraptors being used as gardeners and babysitters.
ggm-at-algebras 2 hours ago|||
Nothing in this thread makes me feel I should change my mind but de gustibus and all that.
chuckledog 2 hours ago||
Anyone play the Apple II video game by Telerium? Slow, but it did evoke that sense of wonder https://youtu.be/ITxhoiXiXRY?si=n21imKGMjqyjmQld
hombre_fatal 2 hours ago||
I read it as a young teen, and I remember trying to imagine what it might look like to enter a cylinder that large.

I remember having fun doing it, which might not be something I could amuse myself with 20 years later since it's hard to hold on to that kind of childlike wonder unless you're on a hallucinogen.

shagie 1 hour ago|
Some of my early renderings Renderman (high school), Povray (college), and Art ( https://www.abemegahed.com/software/ - at the very end) were trying to visualize the scale of Rama and Ringworld.

The scale of it was... well... astronomical.

jacquesm 13 minutes ago||
Some of the ringworld covers were quite good.
readthenotes1 1 hour ago||
"Clarke himself was gay"

Maybe it no longer needs to be said in this day and age, but Clarke was accused, credibly, of being a pedophile (or, to diminish it with a technicality, hebephile).

It is not quite as abhorrent/chilling as the also credible accusations against Marion Zimmer Bradley--but only because she was teamed up with a Jeffrey Epstein like character.

selcuka 57 minutes ago|
> Clarke was accused, credibly, of being a pedophile

Genuinely curious, where does the credibility come from? As far as I can remember it turned out to be an outright slander by a tabloid paper.

hermitcrab 24 minutes ago||
It is covered a bit here:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/1999/sep/12/sciencefiction...

No idea if he was as much of an insufferable egomaniac as that article makes out.

Some decades ago I think it was assumed that homosexuality and paedophilia were pretty much the same thing. Hopefully we are a bit more enlightened now.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 1 hour ago||
This reminded me that they made a point-and-click game of Rama. I remember enjoying it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama_(video_game)

WA 2 hours ago||
Another recommendation, not a first contact story, but a very weird world and you wonder why things are how they are:

Inverted World by Christopher Priest

lsaret1257 2 hours ago|
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