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Posted by bombastic311 1 day ago

Levels of Agentic Engineering(www.bassimeledath.com)
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ramoz 18 hours ago|
Level4 is most interesting to me right now. And I would say we as an industry are still figuring out the right ergonomics and UX around these four things.

I spend a great deal of my time planning and assessing/reviewing through various mechanisms. I think I do codify in ways when I create a skill for any repeated assessment or planning task.

> To be clear, planning as a general practice isn't going away. It's just changing shape. For newer practitioners, plan mode remains the right entry point (as described in Levels 1 and 2). But for complex features at Level 7, "planning" looks less like writing a step-by-step outline and more like exploration: probing the codebase, prototyping options in worktrees, mapping the solution space. And increasingly, background agents are doing that exploration for you.

I mean, it's worth noting that a lot of plan modes are shaped to do the Socratic discovery before creating plans. For any user level. Advanced users probably put a great deal of effort (or thought) into guiding that process themselves.

> ralph loops (later on)

Ralph loops have been nothing but a dramatic mess for me, honestly. They disrupt the assessment process where humans are needed. Otherwise, don't expect them to go craft out extensive PRD without massive issues that is hard to review.

  - It would seem that this is a Harness problem in terms of how they keep an agent working and focused on specific tasks (in relation to model capability), but not something maybe a user should initiate on their own.
C0ldSmi1e 20 hours ago||
One of the best article I've read recently.
dolebirchwood 20 hours ago||
> Voice-to-voice (thought-to-thought, maybe?) interaction with your coding agent — conversational Claude Code, not just voice-to-text input — is a natural next step.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the appeal in verbal dictation, especially where complexity is involved. I want to think through issues deliberately, carefully, and slowly to ensure I'm not glossing over subtle nuances. I don't find speaking to be conducive to that.

For me, the process of writing (and rewriting) gives me the time, space, and structure to more precisely articulate what I want with a more heightened degree of specificity. Being able to type at 80+ wpm probably helps as well.

wild_egg 17 hours ago|
The power of voice dictation for me is that I can get out every scrap of nuance and insight I can think of as unfiltered verbal diarrhea. Doing this gives me solidly an extra 9 in chance of getting good outputs.

Stream of consciousness typing for me is still slower and causes me to buffer and filter more and deliberately crafting a perfect prompt is far slower still.

LLMs are great at extracting the essence of unstructured inputs and voice lets me take best advantage of that.

Voice output, on the other hand, is completely useless unless perhaps it can play at 4x speed. But I need to be able to skim LLM output quickly and revisit important points repeatedly. Can't see why I'd ever want to serialize and slow that down.

ramesh31 20 hours ago||
>(Re: level 8) "...I honestly don't think the models are ready for this level of autonomy for most tasks. And even if they were smart enough, they're still too slow and too token-hungry for it to be economical outside of moonshot projects like compilers and browser builds (impressive, but far from clean)."

This is increasingly untrue with Opus 4.6. Claude Max gives you enough tokens to run ~5-10 agents continuously, and I'm doing all of my work with agent teams now. Token usage is up 10x or more, but the results are infinitely better and faster. Multi-agent team orchestration will be to 2026 what agents were to 2025. Much of the OP article feels 3-6 months behind the times.

measurablefunc 21 hours ago||
What level is numeric patterns that evolve according to a sequence of arithmetic operations?
dude250711 7 hours ago||
Levels of Slop Engineering.
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