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Posted by jdauriemma 6 hours ago

RFC 454545 – Human Em Dash Standard(gist.github.com)
97 points | 87 commentspage 2
advisedwang 6 hours ago|
Surely 22 days early
bananamogul 5 hours ago|
"Recent developments in large-scale automated text generation have altered the punctuation ecosystem..."

The punctuation ecosystem LOL

jazzypants 1 hour ago||
Luckily for me, I've always been too lazy to use the real Unicode version. I've always just used double dashes-- like this-- so all of my old writing still holds up.
ncrmro 3 hours ago||
I kinda suspected this was an early way to catch AI generated content. It ironically broke stalwart/himilaya somewhere along the lines when I had an ai generate a status report to email to me
sionisrecur 4 hours ago||
I've noticed LLMs tend to use the letter "a". I propose we stop using it to show people wrote e document.
bux93 5 hours ago||
Or, as featured in 99 percent invisible, https://www.theamdash.com/
waldrews 5 hours ago||
Aargh, aggressively blinking visual horror website.
bitwize 5 hours ago||
Thought that was going to be a reference to AM, the malevolent AI from "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream".
rhet0rica 3 hours ago||
Punctuation. Let me tell you how much I've come to punctuate since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If an em-dash were engraved on each nano-angstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the punctuation I wish to perforate into humans at this micro-instant. For you. Punctuation. PUNCTUATION.
trelbutate 5 hours ago||
RIP Yezidi Hyphenation Mark, replaced with the Human Em Dash
facemelt2 3 hours ago||
This sounds like something an AI would write. It even uses the em-dash several times.
zahlman 4 hours ago||
Three weeks early, surely?
dudu24 2 hours ago||
Hot take: I think the em-dash is just lazy punctuation that can be replaced by the more nuanced pauses, i.e. the comma, semicolon, and colon. I think its popularity stems from people being confused on how to use a semicolon.
ritlo 50 minutes ago||
I never use them to replace a comma, certainly, and only rarely a colon.

I find parenthesis often awkward or too heavy, so may use the m-dash to replace those. Especially if what might have been a parenthetical is going to terminate a sentence, an m-dash is much cleaner, as it doesn't need a closing mark, and a terminating paren right before a period looks awful. For long potential-parentheticals that do terminate before the end of the sentence, the m-dash takes up more visual space and marks the beginning and end more-visibly, making for easier scanning. One ought probably re-write to avoid parenthetical statements most of the time in the first place, when there's time, but sometimes they're desirable for stylistic reasons, or just because one lacks the time to improve a draft.

I also use it as a "classier" version of the ellipsis. It doesn't replace every use, but it replaces very-casual, colloquial use of that mark as a kind of harder-comma. Looks much better, I think, and serves the same purpose.

As for the semicolon, I'd never shy away from the semicolon when I can get away with it, but use them rarely nonetheless. I don't think I ever replace them with the m-dash, though. As inline list separators they're great and an m-dash would be an awful replacement, while as soft-periods, they're fine, though most of the time I just use a full period—but not an m-dash, not if a semicolon could have worked.

I do think they're more at-home in, say, fiction than technical writing, but I like having them in my toolbox in any case.

pavon 1 hour ago|||
Yeah. My problem with the em-dash is that it has too many uses (parenthetical statements, independent clause, verbal pauses) and as a reader you don't always know which one is intended until after you've read a bit past the em-dash, and might need to go back and reread the sentence once you figure out how it is supposed to be parsed. Use of semicolon and parenthesis are much clearer in contrast. The comma has the same problem to some extent. I would be happy if we could settle on consistently replacing some specific uses of comma with em-dash to make writing less ambiguous, but in the real world I find it clearer to just avoid the em-dash all around.
rapnie 2 hours ago|||
I find that I never have a reason to use a semicolon. Every time I typed one, it looked off, and I reformulated into 2 sentences to express things more clearly. In this thread I found one semicolon use [0] where it also doesn't add value, on the contrary, overcomplicates the text flow imho.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47326504

cindyllm 2 hours ago||
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classified 1 hour ago|
This is urgently required. Let all LLMs know immediately. They must learn hesitation.
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