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Posted by etothet 22 hours ago

The MacBook Neo(daringfireball.net)
https://www.pcmag.com/news/asus-co-ceo-macbook-neo-is-a-shoc...
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shablulman 1 day ago|
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GenericDev 14 hours ago||
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gamblor956 1 day ago||
He wasn't referring to the build quality which is about average, or the ipad level performance.

He was referring to the supply chain. The shock is that Apple was able to build something like this with current component costs.

BoredPositron 1 day ago||
Planning beyond the next quarter? That’s a rare level of foresight for most.
financetechbro 21 hours ago||
“Average” build quality? All the reviews I’ve seen rage about the build quality of the Neo
dangus 14 hours ago||
While the impact of the MacBook Neo is huge, this type of review is really screaming of an inexperienced reviewer who can't actually make good purchase recommendations to average people.

It's really cool that this device is cheap but 8GB of RAM is the elephant in the room. Even non-technical web browsing users will notice the sluggishness coming from that spec.

The moment they upgrade it to the next iPhone processor, it'll get 12GB of RAM, and it will need it.

And the other elephant in the room that John doesn't bring up is the fact that you can definitely find in-warranty MacBook Air options for ~$700 and they'll be much better buys.

You'll get more RAM, keep your Touch ID, better trackpad, better screen, better battery life, better speakers, better mics, I think even a better webcam? Maybe.

That reminds me: the small battery in the Neo means that high screen brightness or more than light usage will more quickly deplete it compared to other Mac systems.

nirava 13 hours ago||
> Even non-technical web browsing users will notice the sluggishness coming from that spec.

I'm sorry but this line invalidates most of your comment, to the point of looking like satire.

We have reviews and videos of people editing 4k videos with glee, launching and switching between all apps at once, and stuff like that.

I used the base M1 as a power user/developer for years when it came out, and the only reason I had to switch was the storage. Sluggishness wasn't on the top 10 issues I had with that device.

dangus 6 hours ago||
Be careful of the MacBook Neo reviews that have hit so early. Many of these reviewers are happy to sing praises of Apple for views, clicks, and early access to review units, etc. It is not a device that anyone has had on their desk able to test extensively, write review scripts, record and edit video, etc, yet without having special access.

Dave2D had his MacBook Neo on his desk with an edited video completed on the day the computer was announced. That's the special access I'm talking about. And you'll be lucky if you watched an early video like that from someone like him who is willing to be reasonably critical and risk losing that special level of access.

This segment of the Just Josh Tech podcast talks a lot about the caution you need to take with Apple reviewers who are just rushing review content out there: https://youtu.be/kSwXyxAA9XY?t=2406

I think it's very interesting how they note that someone they know who is very non-technical noticed the sluggishness of web browsing with an 8GB M1 MacBook Air. I noticed that when I owned mine as well. I bought into the hype surrounding the faster RAM and was happy to save some money at the time. I wouldn't say I regret it but I would say it made the system last much less time.

Yes, you can edit 4K videos, but not all 4K video editing workflows are created equally. You can't just jump into Final Cut Pro with complex timelines and lots of plugins and expect a good time. But of course if you're editing 4K videos in CapCut, that's no problem.

For more casual users, this same concept applies: a Safari user who has 3 tabs open is having a much different experience than a Chrome user with 40 tabs open and a simultaneous big file download competing for swap disk writes, even though both of those users are "casual" and "non-technical" computer users.

And here's the other thing, which Dave2D also mentioned: If you're locked in at the level where you just cannot spend more than $499 on a laptop, the Neo is a good deal. But if you actually have some willingness to spend just a little bit more, you'll almost certainly find some kind of M2/M3 MacBook Air, often brand new discounted at a retailer like Walmart or Best Buy where you end up 16GB of RAM and a ton of additional niceties over the Neo (Haptic trackpad, backlit keyboard, larger battery, better screen, speakers, microphones, etc). That system is a system that will ultimately last you longer than a Neo and only a small additional cost gets you there.

slopinthebag 9 hours ago||
Here is a video of a user who opens up every single program on the Mac, including a video editor and edits 4k video at full resolution with no sluggishness. Care to reevaluate your opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-VOt9559Gk

dangus 6 hours ago||
Looks pretty sluggish at 5:00, not that I'd even expect this class of system to handle that kind of video project all that well regardless of RAM pressure.

6:49 to 7:00 is how long Photoshop takes to go from the preview to the viewing the original resolution image zoomed in. Quite sluggish.

Dumping a bunch of out-of-focus idle apps into swap not only isn't the best test, but also isn't a magical solution that has no downsides even if it stays responsive a lot of the time.

There are all kinds of ways relying on swap can quickly turn your system into having a storage/memory bottleneck rather than a CPU bottleneck and they have very little to do with having a ton of backgrounded idle apps open.

He even mentioned one of them, which was screen recording, since that's adding write cycles to the disk while your system is also competing for disk writes for swap memory.

For example, let's say I'm downloading/extracting a large file (e.g., a game on Steam) while I have a lot of Chrome tabs and programs open with a good amount of RAM pressure. Now I might see more sluggishness than if I had a larger amount of RAM and the exact same system specs since my swap is competing with file write activity.

This isn't some kind of exotic uncommon activity.

A YouTuber doing a quick "open a bunch of apps and play around with them" doesn't necessarily test the kind of specific actions that would deal the most damage to a RAM-starved system.

svilen_dobrev 1 day ago||
maybe Apple is "subsidizing" this ?

nudge/"help" people to join the party?

trying to ride something around the windows-bullshitization , recent memory-prices etc..

bdbdbdb 15 hours ago||
There's no point taking any Mac opinion from John Gruber, he's basically just Apple PR. He can't be objective
listless 14 hours ago||
Would it kill this guy to make his site responsive? It’s like one prompt.
tasuki 13 hours ago|
> You cannot buy an x86 PC laptop in the $600–700 price range that competes with the MacBook Neo on any metric — performance, display quality, audio quality, or build quality. And certainly not software quality.

My old x86 "PC" laptop with the $0 Debian certainly compares positively to Apple in terms of software quality.

kilpikaarna 13 hours ago|
As much as I like the form factor and price point of the MB Neo, I just can't accept a computer that needs to phone home when reinstalling the (one approved) OS.

Bought yet another second hand 11" MBA instead. Now looking at SMT soldering equipmemt for doing ipgrades and repairs.