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Posted by etothet 18 hours ago

The MacBook Neo(daringfireball.net)
https://www.pcmag.com/news/asus-co-ceo-macbook-neo-is-a-shoc...
445 points | 740 commentspage 7
intrasight 10 hours ago|
>we’re lucky it comes with a charger at all

Yup

jauntywundrkind 9 hours ago||
It's remarkable to me that this shows what an iPhone chip has been capable of, and a reminder about how strongly Apple works to keep phone, tablet, and laptop in separate segments. Even though they share the same chips.

Going to be signficiantly harder for Qualcomm X2 Elite to make a splash, given the price here. I have high hopes for the X2 Elite Extreme (even if it is going to be cursed with incredible difficulty trying to get each of these non-ACPI / DeviceTree systems running Linux). But this raises the bar signficiantly.

halapro 9 hours ago|
People keep calling this "a phone chip" when M1 was literally "a phone chip" to begin with, based on A14. It's entirely reasonable that in 4 generations of "phone chips", the A18 reaches the speed that M1 did during its "one-generation" rework.
jauntywundrkind 4 hours ago||
The M1 was beefed up in quite a number of ways. More cores, much bigger GPU, double the memory bandwidth, more clocks, more power, a massive io subsystem that just didn't exist period with thunderbolt, pcie, etc.

You are correct that the architecture was indeed the same, but it was quite a different chip. "Literally a phone chip to begin with, based on", to me, misleads from how different the m1 was. But yes, they appear to share the same architecture.

dzhiurgis 6 hours ago||
Very obvious next step is to release 15" or 16" variant. It would put nail in coffin on cheap PC market. But would also cannibalize their own air/pro sales.
ozlikethewizard 20 hours ago||
When did $600 become budget?
JumpCrisscross 11 hours ago||
When it lasts 5 to 10 years. I’m still using my 2020 MacBook Pro, and figure I’ll get another half decade out of it. That’s <$200/year. The Neo could be a <$100/year laptop, which puts it in the same class as $200 shitbooks that crap out after two or three years.
Loudergood 2 hours ago|||
I tell anyone spending less than that not to waste their money, and to get refurb instead.
Schmerika 14 hours ago|||
Would you be surprised if I told you that $600 is slightly under 11 days of the average rent [0]?

0 - https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/

ozlikethewizard 12 hours ago|||
Is that more rents are insane though, british perspective but 600 ~ £450, £450 is still around a third of an average rent, but I'd consider a budget laptop those in the £2-350 range. For the average user £400+ (so $500+) is decidely midrange purely on the virtue that its the middle of the range for general use laptops (being £150-1000 really, anything more than that and you're entering decent gaming/workstation specs).
amenhotep 10 hours ago||
Not to mention that it they are, naturally, going to convert $600 to £600.
dzhiurgis 5 hours ago|||
Are you comparing 11 days of utility vs 5+ years worth?
dzhiurgis 5 hours ago|||
It's $370 in 2006 dollars.
thunderbong 14 hours ago|||
For existing Mac owners.
mixmastamyk 11 hours ago||
Recently after another round of 30-40% inflation.
hinkley 8 hours ago||
I swear to god every time I go to Gruber's website he's narrowed the text another ten pixels.
locallost 21 hours ago||
Was my first thought also when I saw it. I honestly planned to ditch Macbooks before they released M1, but this hardware is just so much better than anything Intel or AMD can offer at least for laptops. For people that are not too demanding I've recommended Airs for a while, but this basically has the potential to destroy the entire midrange PC market. Some people will be reluctant to switch, but I don't think the OS is as important today as it was before. So much happens on the web anyway.

edit: also on a tangent, Apple's pricing has become weird. It actually feels like it's a really good bang got the buck. Regular iPads are under 400 now, and they're just better than the competition. MacBook Pro is about the same price as it ever was, but it's just so much better than it was etc.

Marazan 11 hours ago||
It's good but it's no Asus eee901
so-cal-schemer 9 hours ago|
Nor an Asus C101:

RK3399 6-core ARM v8, Mali-T864 GPU, 1.9lb aluminum body, 10" IPS multitouch display, USB-C, compact chicklet-style keyboard -- or since it's a 2-in-1, flip it around and use your own portable ergo/ortholinear. coreboot/libreboot support...

Bring out a refresh, Asus.

https://www.asus.com/us/laptops/for-home/chromebook/asus-chr...

j45 7 hours ago||
If the Neo had been the next 12" macbook (2.0 lb), it would be the first apple product I would have lined up for.

The article sums up why quite well:

"The biggest shortcoming of the decade-ago MacBook “One”, aside from the baffling decision to include just one USB-C port that was also its only means of charging, was the shitty performance of Intel’s Core M chips. Those chips were small enough and low-power enough to fit in the MacBook’s thin and fan-less enclosure, but they were slow as balls. It was a huge compromise for a laptop that carried a somewhat premium price. Today, performance, performance-per-watt, and physical chip size are all solved problems with Apple Silicon. I’d consider paying double the price of the Neo for a MacBook with similar specs (but more RAM and better I/O) that weighed 2.0 pounds or less. I’d buy such a MacBook not to replace my 14-inch MacBook Pro, but to replace my 2018 11-inch iPad Pro as my “carry around the house” secondary computer.5"

NetMageSCW 5 hours ago|
Given that the 12” MacBook cost $1300 back then, that new MacBook would be triple the cost, or around $1800 today. Still worth it?
j45 48 minutes ago||
Yes.

Considering it'd be running an M series chip, plus battery life, it would have more horsepower than the 12" Macbook. Add to that more ram, and the 2lb or less alternative to iPad is real.

shrubble 23 hours ago||
It’s really an iPad running MacOS instead of iOS; the question is whether people want that.

I’m not the target market since I require Linux compatibility but I realize that is not a necessity in the market.

exidy 21 hours ago||
I don't think it's a useful distinction. I wouldn't describe my car as "really a vacuum cleaner", despite them both having an electric motor.

The form factor is the defining characteristic, because that informs how people use it. The CPU does not.

recursive 10 hours ago|||
Really an iPad running MacOS instead of iOS, with a built-in keyboard and touchpad, without a touch screen, multiple ports.

In other words, indistinguishable from a laptop by virtually everyone. I don't even know what difference you might be referring to.

musicale 23 hours ago||
The iPad has a touchscreen, supports Apple Pencil, etc. but the observation that the iPad has been Apple's "budget" computing platform for a while is spot on. It is interesting that they have reformulated it into a Mac laptop (and also that A-series iPhone chips offer M1-class performance.)

Fortunately/unfortunately for Apple, the M1 MacBook Air from 2020 is still a great laptop.

insane_dreamer 9 hours ago|
My kids (ages 10, 14) have never used a Windows computer. They were introduced to computing with iPhone and iPad, and they use Chromebooks at school. At home I have Win, Linux and MacOS computers, but they've only used the MacOS ones (not interested in the others). I am trying to get them to use Linux, but unless they want to do hacking-type stuff (that's not them), then it's hard to sell them on it.

When we buy them personal laptops (not there yet), it'll be a MacBook Neo (or its successor). I expect that unless they're forced to at work, they'll never touch a Windows computer in their life.

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