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Posted by aldarisbm 6 hours ago

Wiz joins Google(www.wiz.io)
128 points | 87 commentspage 2
redbell 4 hours ago|
Wiz joins Waze & Waymo.. there's something suspicious with the letter W here :)
omoikane 2 hours ago||
There aren't that many Alphabet acquisitions[1] that start with "W", compared to all the companies that start with "A":

      1 2
      1 6
      1 @
     28 A
     15 B
      8 C
     18 D
      6 E
     10 F
     10 G
      4 H
      9 I
      5 J
      5 K
      8 L
     14 M
      8 N
     10 O
     22 P
      4 Q
     13 R
     27 S
     12 T
      3 U
      5 V
      9 W
      1 Y
      8 Z
Normalizing these counts with respect to English character frequencies that appear in text[2], the top three unexpected company initials appear to be "Q", "J", and "P".

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitio...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequency

0_____0 4 hours ago|||
Wiz and Waze are both Israeli companies. Not that suspicious, I think it probably just sounds better in Hebrew.
sokz 4 hours ago|||
Wix too. Very interesting that founders of Waze and Wix have Unit 8200 pedigree and Wiz co-founder was part of an elite recruitment program in the IDF. On account of the mandatory draft, it was bound to happen but those three companies have very similar names as well.
alephnerd 4 hours ago||
Everyone in Israel who is entrepreneurial tries to self-select into 8200 - it's the equivalent of American high schoolers who want to enter VC and tech entrepreneurship targeting CS@Stanford.

In Israel, the university you attended matters less than the unit you served. For example, if you want to become a senior politician, you join Sayeret Matkal and if you want to become an academic you end up in Talpiot (which the founders of Wiz are alums of).

8200s success is largely due to a couple early exits by 8200 alums (Gili Raanan, Nir Zuk, Shlomo Kramer) who were biased in recruiting from their unit. 8200 alums aren't better or worse than other Israelis - they just have a better network.

And Israel has multiple SIGINT and offensive/defensive cybersecurity units, all of whom created similar networks as well.

sokz 4 hours ago||
Network effects wasn't what I considered although I should have.
alephnerd 4 hours ago||
It's the same in the US as well - if you join the right divisions and units and take advantage of educational programs with the GI Bill, you will open a lot of doors professionally speaking.
bigyabai 3 hours ago||
I'm sure the Room 641A employees have an excellent professional network, but I'm still going to judge them on a personal level.
darth_aardvark 4 hours ago|||
Unlikely, since modern Hebrew doesn't have a letter for "w".
1-more 2 hours ago|||
It has vav which gets transliterated as v, u, o, or w. How does the average modern Hebrew speaker pronounce these company names in a sentence? Vix, Vayz, Viz? Is the "w" transliteration an example of Latin to Hebrew transliteration but not vice-versa?
edanm 1 hour ago||
It's pronounced the same as in English. Wiz, Waze, Wix. It's written with "double vav" in Hebrew, not just a single vav which would make it read as Viz.
1-more 31 minutes ago||
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bonesss 4 hours ago||||
Is it possible the foreignness makes ‘W’ appealing as it signals cool modern tech alignment or something?

Like how ‘X’ attracts marketing and typographic knuckle-draggers in English, or how all our AI companies have butthole logos for reasons that only make sense if you understand the underlying companies and culture.

darth_aardvark 2 hours ago||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_Israel#W

There's 5 of them, two of which happen to have been acquired by Google. Fair to say it's likely a coincidence.

Interestingly, they all use "vav vav" as the start of their Hebrew names. "Vav" is the hebrew letter for V, so it's kind of like using VV to represent W.

Maybe you're right, and it's a stylistic thing! My knowledge of Hebrew ends in Hebrew school, and that mostly focused on blessing and prayers over startup naming.

edanm 1 hour ago||
Despite commenting on this literally five seconds ago in the sibling comment, I hadn't made the connection that if "vav" is V, then using "vav vav" is like "VV" which is like "W". I wonder if this is a real thing.

In any case, I'm pretty sure it's just a coincidence, I don't think it's a stylistic thing, unless I'm missing something.

0_____0 3 hours ago|||
Oof, you got me there!
JoshTriplett 4 hours ago|||
They could put up a page for all three acquisitions, under "www".
xnorswap 4 hours ago|||
W = Winners, it's just science ;)

I bet someone has actually studied the effect of leading letters in startup names and funding & acquisitions, I vaguely seem to remember a story about it in the past.

yomismoaqui 3 hours ago||
Also wankers, just saying...
kps 4 hours ago|||
Title should be: Wiz Waz
paxys 3 hours ago||
RIP Wave
vvpan 3 hours ago||
No reactions beside: monopolies are bad for innovation and why we cannot have nice things. You might hear some people say "but these big companies innovate". They were mostly done innovating two decades ago, now they just snuff out innovation and acquisition is one of their main tools.
mainecoder 2 hours ago|
well if you are waiting for the monopolies to be broken don't wait they will not be broken monopolies are here to stay, capitalistism for the rich and socialism also for the rich they best thing you can do is be rich yourself
PunchTornado 5 hours ago||
I don't understand Google's play here. Does it want Wiz to be a unique offer for GCP customers? or they will keep it cloud agnostic?
jcims 4 hours ago||
Wiz customer here, when fully implemented it provides an incredibly detailed and comprehensive view of your infrastructure.

I'm curious how much of that information is going to pass between Wiz and Google Cloud product/sales. It's effectively x-ray vision into some huge workloads running on their competitors.

torginus 4 hours ago|||
Is this like Darktrace?

Apparently the cybersec bigwigs at our company love it, but for me I have to write a detailed explaination why another 'incident report' the clueless cybersecurity guys keep bothering me with is actually nonsense.

alephnerd 4 hours ago||
Nope. Darktrace is crap verging on fraud. Wiz actually solves tangible CSPM and runtime issues.
rabidonrails 4 hours ago|||
>>It's effectively x-ray vision into some huge workloads running on their competitors.

I wonder if there are antitrust lawyers watching this closely. Would be really interesting to get their perspective on this.

d4mi3n 5 hours ago|||
Probably a diversification play and a play to see out bigger contracts. If you've worked in the FEDRamp space, you may be aware that Wiz (last a checked, a year or so ago) is one of the few and possibly ownly player certified to operate in FedRAMP Medium/High deployments operating with the technology it does (eBPF instrumentation).
scottyah 4 hours ago||
Google has really been expanding into DoD lately. I think they're realizing it's a large part of why AWS is so big and Azure is still alive.
raw_anon_1111 5 hours ago|||
Thats the entire purpose, the reality is that large corporations are increasingly “multi cloud” and Google wants to have an offering for them and for companies that are on AWS and Azure to be able to move some of their workloads to GCP.

AWS and GCP also made a joint announcement about multi cloud networking for a similar reason

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/networking-and-content-delivery...

tw04 5 hours ago|||
>or they will keep it cloud agnostic?

They grossly overpaid if they aren't keeping it cloud agnostic. It's impressive software, but if it's only compatible with GCP it will not survive in this space.

aberoham 5 hours ago|||
I'm really hoping this means GCP Security Command Center quickly gets subsumed by Wiz
htrp 4 hours ago||
you mean there will now be three products instead of two

Google Security Center Wiz Google Agentic Wiz Security

newsclues 4 hours ago|||
Make it easy to use google cloud and plug into google ai
cmrdporcupine 4 hours ago||
If you think Google is capable of making a singular coherent decision on a topic like this, you're dreaming. There's likely multiple competing visions.

That said: the goal with Google M&A remains the same as always. Take competition off the board. I don't know this company or how they compete with Google, but 80% chance that's the play.

They are culturally incapable of merging other people's tech into their own stack and have both the tendency to rewrite everything from scratch on their own bespoke technologies and also internal engineering teams that will bristle at having a foreign body invade their cathedral.

You could say it would be talent acquisition but most everyone who comes from a startup walks as soon as their golden handcuffs loosen and they can find something else to do. Going from startup to Google is usually torturous.

Been through this 15 years ago. I don't think anything has changed.

breppp 3 hours ago||
> goal with Google M&A remains the same as always. Take competition off the board. I don't know this company or how they compete with Google, but 80% chance that's the play

I don't think that's true here (what is the competing google product exactly?) or generally in cloud acquisitions, that generally buy into their platform missing features

ragall 1 hour ago|||
The competing Google features are not a distinct product with its own name, but rather many separate features one can enable, like container image scanning. Collectively, it doesn't do all that Wiz offers, but it's still there.
cmrdporcupine 3 hours ago|||
It's true that Cloud has behaved a bit different from Classic Google
napolux 5 hours ago||
Congrats!
Alex3917 5 hours ago||
Not to be confused with Google’s existing product called Wiz.
jsheard 5 hours ago||
Or the Wiz IoT company, which seems like something Google might assimilate into Nest, but they didn't.
pwr22 4 hours ago|||
Or the GP2X Wiz handheld (which will be forever what comes to mind first for me )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X_Wiz

jtmetcalfe 3 hours ago|||
I thought so too at first, which would make sense as Nest does everything except lighting...
Arainach 5 hours ago||
I'd argue an internal framework isn't a "product", but the confusion is real.
flipped 3 hours ago||
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pbiggar 4 hours ago||
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breppp 3 hours ago||
lol Let me tell you something even more worrying, Google, Apple, Amazon, Meta and Microsoft already have larger engineering centers in Israel than most of Europe.

And over 90% of their workers served in the IDF! And many more in Israeli Intelligence! and they're also mostly Jewish!

Spooky stuff, our ads will never be safe now

shilgapira 1 hour ago||
Oy vey!

You've got to love how spewing such casual bigotry against random people doesn't ring any alarm bells for people like this Paul person. I'm sure he considers himself a "progressive" lol.

myth_drannon 1 hour ago||
This guy has quite a history, no surprise. Check his twitter.
weatherlite 4 hours ago|||
Link doesn't work
pbiggar 4 hours ago||
It seems to be working for me.
klyonrad 4 hours ago||
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dttze 4 hours ago||
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kolanos 4 hours ago||
Didn't this happen a year ago? [0] Or did this deal just take a year?

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43398518

eloisant 4 hours ago|
Did you read the article? First line: "Nearly a year ago, we shared that Wiz would be joining Google."
SoberSky 4 hours ago||
Who reads articles these days?
officeplant 3 hours ago||
Just the bots so that HN posters can ask them for slop replies to stuff they don't understand.
aerodog 3 hours ago||
Wasn't this acquisition just a bit money laundering operation from Israel?
XCSme 4 hours ago|
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jtmetcalfe 4 hours ago|
I thought it was about home automation at first https://www.wizconnected.com/
mkehrt 4 hours ago||
Same--I was worried my lightbulbs might be deprecated!