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Posted by ks2048 4 days ago

Bus travel from Lima to Rio de Janeiro(kenschutte.com)
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j_french 1 hour ago|
I did most of this route by bus in the late 2000s, mostly semi-cama style where available. Was entirely manageable mostly, apart from feeling weird as the altitude kicked up heading to Cusco, and the horrendous surface of the la paz to uyuni road. For an interminable stretch in the middle of the night in felt like we were driving over an endless washboard.

The 2008 US presidential election was on, we hadn't heard the result, the park ranger in an unbelievably remote hut at uyuni informed us that "el Moreno" had won

YesBox 2 hours ago||
Thanks for reminding me how beautiful Rio ("Hio") is! I went to Brazil twice in the late 2000s. Brings back some fun memories:

- Most of the locals on the beach will start clapping when the sun begins to set. Ipanema is a beautiful beach/area.

- Brazilians are curious and happy to chat with foreigners. I particularly enjoyed how slowly everyone walked, not in a rush to get to anyplace.

- If you're staying in hostels, it's really easy to fall into the trap of hanging around other foreigners who pretty much all speak English fluently (which is fun, but isn't the main purpose of traveling IMO). I learned a little Portuguese before traveling which helped break out of that. I also couch surfed (stayed in strangers homes), which was fun.

- I found the cuisine to be light, though I was on a budget. Pretty sure I lost weight and had to eat more frequently. I miss Acia bowls.

- Dont drink unfiltered tap water, and make sure the bottled water seals aren't broken. I got sick a couple times regardless.

- Carnaval and soccer (football) matches are wild. Tons of energetic people.

- I was never mugged, but met a lot of people who were, or knew someone who was (locals and foreigners). Maybe things have changed. Traveling alone at night is not a good idea.

nfg 1 hour ago||
Memories!

Back in 2012 after 8 months across Asia (through Turkey, Iran, India, Nepal, China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, Laos and Hong King) we took a flight to Buenos Aires (well, via SF for a weekend) then went entirely overland: - Buenos Aires - Puerto Madryn - Ushuaia - El Calafate - El Chalten - Bariloche - El Bolson - Mendoza - Salta - El Cafayate - Into Bolivia… - La Quiaca - Tupiza - Salar de Uniyi - Sucre - La Paz - Copabanca - Isla Del Sol - Into Peru! - Puno - Cusco - Aguas Calientes - Arequipa - Tacna - Into Chile! - San Pedro de Atacama - Into Argentina - Salta - Puerto Iguazú - Into Brazil - Foz do Iguaçu - Rio de Janeiro - Ihla Grande - Paraty - San Paulo - Home (via Amsterdam)!

I’m glad we did it when we were younger - golden years.

NoboruWataya 31 minutes ago||
The longest single bus ride I did was about 24 hours from Iguazu (Argentine side) up to Rio. It was at the end of a 2 month trip through Peru, Bolivia, Argentina and Brazil. I had intended to break it up with a couple of days in Sao Paulo, but I ended up spending way longer than expected in Buenos Aires because I loved it so much.

It was semi cama and we were told there would be a meal served as part of the ticket, only to be told on board that the meal wasn't available for whatever reason. After much complaining (not just me but all of the passengers) we eventually got them to let us stop for half an hour at a service station in the middle of nowhere to get some food.

It was over 13 years ago now, but I still have so many great memories of that trip.

IG_Semmelweiss 45 minutes ago||
There are some mediocre routes and some interesting routes.

I think a key tidbit not mentioned by the article, is to recommend for US and Europeans travelers the experience of ecosystem change by going from coastal (sea level), to paramo , to high Andes , and then back down to (dense) tropical jungle.

That ecosystem journey does not exist in North America, and its rare in the EU, except for maybe Switzerland (where you will not experience tropical jungle anyway).

Yet, the journey from coast to highland down to jungle, is available on all highways criscrossing the Andes!

jonah 9 minutes ago||
You can experience all of those ecosystems - and more - just in Columbia if you choose to.

We did a lot of bussing around there couple years ago - none of them or as nice as these motor coaches! (We were generally not taking the longer routes though.)

AlotOfReading 13 minutes ago||
You can do a similar journey in the US and Canada from sea level through temperate rainforest to alpine tundra on the Pacific coast. It's not quite the same as the Andes, but it's similar because of the structural similarities in how the Pacific rim formed.
masfuerte 2 hours ago||
The article omits the most important detail in the bus summary. Is it cama?

Cama is Spanish for bed. A cama bus has seats that fully recline to form a flat bed. They are awesome. Semi-cama is a reclining chair. Not flat, but comfortable and you can easily sleep. And then you get regular buses, which are no fun on the long journeys.

AFF87 19 minutes ago|
100% agreed, cama for that trip could be a great experience... regular would be really painful
alliao 3 hours ago||
i remember seeing sun beating down on a truck in front of us with 80 or so residential sized gas tanks just banging on each other for the entire way from arequipa to lima, fun times. we did cuzco to puno then loop back to lima. there was news of coach fallen off the road on the bit from puno to arequipa, but then I was young and eager to explore so just jumped on anyway with a friend, good times for sure.
jcims 3 hours ago||
I’d always fancied myself a decent driver. Riding in buses across parts of Peru recalibrated my standards. I couldn’t believed what they could do with those clapped out tour buses, some *truly* skilled folks at the wheel.
amarant 3 hours ago||
Reminds me of "The Wrong Way Home" about a guy who did a similar land-only trip, except from London to Sydney.

I spent a huge part of my teens and early twenties dreaming of doing the same. These days the mere thought gives me a back ache.

bryancoxwell 1 hour ago||
I did the exact opposite of this in 2011 and it was the easily the most memorable 3 months of my life. Takes some planning (mostly making sure visa dates line up) but it is an incredible experience.
eastbound 2 hours ago||
Still exists, without a book to talk about it. Travel is cheap and my lesson is that every sleeping condition is acceptable, provided it’s temporary. A friend came to see me in Sydney, from France, using hitchhiking. He loved Kazhakstan and central Asia, hated Vietnam (which I loved), and took a flight from Singapore to Pearth. Western countries are the most boring, apparently.
xyzelement 3 hours ago|
Really drives home the blessing of air travel. LATAM offers the same route for about the same price, 5 hours instead of 118.

I assume the author just had nothing better to do which is fine, but great to have the other option.

ks2048 3 hours ago||
And what's the price if you want to stop at all 12 cities listed there?
xyzelement 3 hours ago||
If that's your actual goal sure.
MrOrelliOReilly 1 hour ago||
I’m not convinced you read the post. I believe the author makes quite explicit their goal was to actually visit these cities, noting this is far from the most efficient bus route. Their itinerary also shows long stays in several spots.
xyzelement 45 minutes ago||
Yes. I am just saying what an amazing thing air travel is when this is your baseline.
mykowebhn 2 hours ago|||
I think you didn't get the point of the article.
idiotsecant 3 hours ago|||
'nothing better to do' is where all of life's greatest surprises are hiding.
IncreasePosts 2 hours ago||
You can also have nothing better to do in rio for 5 days
idiotsecant 41 minutes ago||
You're making the mistake of thinking that the place you're headed is your destination. When you look back (I hope) you recall fondly your younger days adventures where you had 2 bucks and an open road. The best adventures happen when we don't expect them because we're on the way to the 'important' thing.

We very rarely correctly identify in advance what the important thing is.

kakacik 3 hours ago||
when traveling and especially backpacking, the road and the experiences and people you meet along is the goal, not tackling a checklist of stuff internet/llms has given you as must-see.
xyzelement 3 hours ago||
Thanks for explaining that. Had never encountered this concept before.
mykowebhn 2 hours ago|||
I believe (s)he is responding to this comment of yours:

> Really drives home the blessing of air travel

It might lead one to surmise that you may have never encountered this before. Just sayin

RobRivera 3 hours ago|||
I cannot tell if this is sarcasm.
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