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Posted by shaicoleman 14 hours ago

Meta Platforms: Lobbying, dark money, and the App Store Accountability Act(github.com)
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Cider9986 7 hours ago|
Here is an Archive: https://arctic-shift.photon-reddit.com/search?fun=ids&ids=t3...
juris 5 hours ago||
so as to not hold the liability bag, devs will publish the majority of their apps as 18+ (we're back to the 2000s with porn banner ads everywhere), and children will ask their parents to use their computer (orly owl).
DavidPiper 11 hours ago||
The idea that it might cost "someone" $2 every time a user opens and app AND it sends a bunch of private data to a 3rd party is completely dystopian, let alone everything else.

And a serious question: with deepest respect to the author for their extraordinarily impressive time and effort in this investigation... Why was this not already flagged by political reporters or investigative journalists? I'm not American so maybe I don't understand the media structure over there but it feels like SOMEONE should have been all over this way before it's gotten to the point described in this post.

TheRealDunkirk 11 hours ago||
When a megacorp funds a network of non-profits to lobby a bunch of politicians, draft legislation, and tell them to take it to committee, that can happen without much visibility, especially when it's been orchestrated at the state level, as this has. Where does any of this show up until there's a vote called on it? There's no open debate. No working "across the aisle" to address concerns. There's nothing left of the legislative process that started this country, or, indeed, any Western representative democracy. So someone has to be watching, see something on an agenda that raises the hairs on their necks, figure out what it is, and if there's a story there, and they're not going to get any help from anyone because everyone involved knows how the public is going to feel about it. And then, as the article indicates, even a place like Reddit is going to astroturf the effort to get the story out. (Which I've been trying to point out for YEARS, but which -- surprise, surprise! -- gets supressed.)
dfxm12 10 hours ago||
Mainstream media is largely captured by the same monied interests as discussed in the reddit post. Although the poster does mention an article from Bloomberg as evidence, most of their sources are local outlets or tech-focused. https://github.com/upper-up/meta-lobbying-and-other-findings...
Terr_ 13 hours ago||
Oh look, the Heritage Foundation, the ones who wrote up the "Project 2025" agenda for most of the corruption and authoritarianism that has plagued America in the last year.

The very last people you should trust when it comes to "protecting the children."

bluescrn 12 hours ago||
To me it feels that the age verfication (adult de-anonymisation) push, at least in Europe, is coming more from the increasingly-authoritarian left as a reaction to the rise of the online right and Musk's Twitter.

(Maybe some unspoken element of concern over social media bots, too - as they evolve from spamming copy+pasted comments to being near-indistinguisable from actual human accounts?)

malfist 11 hours ago|||
If you look at the people pushing these bills it's the anti-trans and anti-porn activists. Not the left.
dringe 6 hours ago|||
In the UK we have many people on the left with these perspectives. It comes from the second-wave feminist tradition.

But generally speaking, online age verification is one of those issues where the left-right ideological divide doesn't map neatly. People support and oppose it for various different reasons. Much like the assisted suicide issue.

dingi 10 hours ago||||
This issue looks partisan from the outset, but both sides push the same thing. They just use partisan justifications.
mrtesthah 9 hours ago||
Age verification efforts in the US have been privacy-attacking (demanding government ID) whereas the system being proposed in europe is privacy-preserving (zero-knowledge proof).
phendrenad2 11 hours ago|||
In Europe though? You have those?
dv_dt 11 hours ago|||
It would be interesting to see a similar lobbying breakdown for the EU and UK. I bet it's still Meta with other right wing actors. The left rarely has the money for this kind of lobbying scale
turbinemonkey 13 hours ago||
Heritage has been laying waste to America my whole life. They basically planned all of Reagan's legislative agenda, too, just like Project 2025 is doing today. In very real ways, they and their vision are America (a system is what it does, not what it says it does).
matheusmoreira 12 hours ago||
See? It was never about children. Never fails.

Corporations literally buy the laws they want and Silicon Valley is the newest lobbying monster. Genuinely terrifying.

zoobab 10 hours ago|
That's what Washington and Brussels are about: lobbying capitals and buying influence over how laws are made.
sporadicallyjoe 10 hours ago||
If politicians care so much about protecting children, then why aren't they going after the rich and powerful child abusers mentioned in the Epstein files?
kjkjadksj 8 hours ago|
Best they can do is only arrest maxwell.
phba 6 hours ago||
The primary goal of these efforts is to control communication and the flow of ideas. Information is a control mechanism, since we act on what we believe.

In history we had four media revolutions (printing press, radio, television, Internet), each greatly disrupting and reshaping society. This is the fifth (social media and maybe AI).

All these revolutions had the same theme: increased reach of information, increased speed of transmission, increased density (information amount per unit of time), and centralization of information sources. Now we seem to reach the limits of change. No more reach, since our information networks span the entire globe. No more speed, since transmission times are close to how fast we can perceive things. The only things left to change are even more centralization and tighter feedback loops (changing the information based on how the recipient reacts).

Given all that, this media revolution might be the last one, so there is a gold rush among the elites to come out on top.

RankingMember 9 hours ago||
Removed! Anyone got a copy of the original text?
koshergweilo 7 hours ago||
> This isn't age verification at the point of accessing restricted content. This is a persistent age-broadcasting service baked into the operating system itself, queryable by every installed application.

You're not missing anything. It's just an AI generated summary of the original GitHub link https://github.com/upper-up/meta-lobbying-and-other-findings

I found the original article much easier to read anyways

vaylian 9 hours ago|||
https://web.archive.org/web/20260313125244/https://old.reddi...
troyvit 9 hours ago|||
They linked to this GitHub project: https://github.com/upper-up/meta-lobbying-and-other-findings
nomilk 9 hours ago||
Also curious why it would be removed.
poizan42 8 hours ago|||
See https://reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_billi...

AutoModerator on /r/linux is set up to automatically remove posts after a set amount of reports.

alex1138 6 hours ago||
Gee that can't be abused at all

Fuck Reddit

SilverElfin 6 hours ago||||
Mass reporting, likely coordinated. This person had a previous submission on this topic that was also attacked this way.
busterarm 9 hours ago|||
It (for the second time) was automatically removed via mass reporting by reddit accounts.
siliconunit 6 hours ago||
How is this preventing anyone booting up an old pc and sharing a usb key data. This is utter nonsense made to control people and instigate fear and self censorship... this is 'the system' discovering the internet in slow motion and immediately pushing its boot over it. We live in an artificial moral panic that should have no place in the minds of smart people.
d--b 12 hours ago|
The guy posted a Ask HN there:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47361235

https://github.com/upper-up/meta-lobbying-and-other-findings...

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