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Posted by johnbarron 9 hours ago

Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-week clock(www.tomshardware.com)
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coreyh14444 8 hours ago|
Remember all the e/acc people telling us to vote for Trump? Some mea-culpas are in order.
lpcvoid 8 hours ago||
The kind of people who voted for trump would never admit they made a mistake. They double down on stupidity instead.
GeorgeWBasic 1 hour ago|||
That isn't true. There's actually a large number of people, probably in the millions, but probably not a majority of those who voted for him, who no longer support him in any way. And of the ones who remain, yes: they're pretty dense to still support him now. There are some lunatics who genuinely believe that the US has the right to dominate and exploit all other nations, but the majority of them simply believe the lies he's telling. I've already seen that when they are confronted with the facts about, say, Gaza, some of them can change their minds. It would be a mistake to turn them away instead of treating them like potential allies. There really is something more important at stake.
tzs 1 hour ago||||
/r/LeopardsAteMyFace contains many counterexamples.
rootusrootus 2 hours ago|||
For better or worse, Donald Trump has absolutely earned his place in the history books. There will be so many lessons from this era, though I think it is very much open to debate what form those lessons will take and which ones will be the most consequential.
Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago||
To be honest, much of the lessons of this were something that we could've already looked back during all the wars humanity has fought all throughout history to learn from.

We are in here, because we didn't learn from our history. You feel this way because this is recent and its hitting everything all at once but I do feel like these were all very avoidable lessons. Being honest, I don't feel like we learnt anything new aside from seeing how the world is still trying to clutch itself back to stability even after all the instability Donald Trump is causing within the world (for better or for worse) and seeing how the world reacts to all of this live.

But I am not quite sure if future will learn from these lessons given that its feeling to me like history doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes and we somehow don't really learn from the history to be honest.

fhdkweig 7 hours ago|||
Could you define the acronym "e/acc"? DDG seems to think it means: "What Does E/Acc Stand For, And What Does It Mean? E/acc stands for the phrase effective accelerationism, and it basically indicates one's personal ideological belief that artificial intelligence will one day become an all-powerful being that can fix the vast majority of humanity's problems."

I don't think I have ever heard a MAGA talk about AI.

overfeed 1 hour ago||||
> I don't think I have ever heard a MAGA talk about AI.

Lots of ex-Bitcoin-bros turned AI hypemen went all-in on maga for Trump II. Even the silicon valley C-Suites and VC-class went mask-off around February 2025. Some have tried to walk it back since then, after realizing the administration they had hitched their wagons to didn't have the mandate or levels of public support they had hoped for - thankfully, the internet never forgets.

spiderfarmer 7 hours ago|||
The MAGA Web3 bros have all switched to the Clawdbot hypetrain, still flogging courses and slop.
marcosdumay 1 hour ago|||
Hum... He seems to be doing the most accelerationist government from recent history of any large or rich country.
rootusrootus 2 hours ago|||
We live in the dumbest possible timeline. As someone who came of age in the late 80s and was lucky enough to fully experience the 90s and 2000s ... what we have done in the last 20 years makes me sad. I never saw this coming. I admit that I maintained my delusion even though I was in OKC in 1995. Should have been a wake-up call.
karmakurtisaani 4 hours ago|||
Even the nation's #1 dingleberry Joe Rogan is now turning against Trump. Would be a great time for folks to start admitting they fell for it again.
rootusrootus 2 hours ago|||
I will dare to admit aloud that I think maybe the founders were making a rational choice when they decided that only certain citizens would have the right to vote. As awful as that sounds, there are halfway decent arguments in favor. Maybe not just restricting to white wealthy landowners, but sometimes I do wonder if we would benefit from a filter that adequately screens for people 1) with real skin in the game and 2) a plausible claim to being well informed.

That is just a thought experiment, though, I do not believe it would play out beneficially if we tried to implement it in real life.

smackeyacky 1 hour ago|||
The answer isn’t less voters, it’s more. Australia’s compulsory voting system has successfully taken the edge off extremist ideology.
erxam 1 hour ago||
Not quite sure this works out as nicely as that. Argentina has both compulsory voting and a legal voting age of 16 and it managed to produce Javier Milei (who makes Trump look like Kissinger).

What's the best way to have a sane system? I'm not sure. I personally lost all faith in democracy.

karmakurtisaani 2 hours ago||||
I like this idea in theory. In practice, the problem is that someone gets to decide who is allowed to vote and on what grounds. If that institution is corrupted, it leads to worse outcome than allowing everyone to vote. And the bad actors would have all the incentives in the world to corrupt that institution.
erxam 58 minutes ago||||
The problem is what to do with those people who can't vote. At worst, they'll rise up in arms and create an ever bigger mess.

If you're not into social and demographic engineering, then you're going to face a real problem.

My solution would be to get it over with and shoot everyone who disagrees with the system I'm trying to build. It sounds childish but it does actually genuinely work. It has been put in practice in so many places it's easy to lose count.

hn_acc1 1 hour ago||||
People with those characteristics are often wealthy: can't have "real skin in the game" if you're just a pleb with a mortgage, 2 kids and 2 cars in a middle-class neighborhood, right? At which point, once again, those with $$ are more equal than others.

Sure, they might be better informed - which lets them figure out how best to corrupt the system.

Edit: in fact, I could see a strong reason to DISALLOW anyone in the top 1% to vote or spend any $$ towards the election.

overfeed 1 hour ago||||
> Maybe not just restricting to white wealthy landowners,

Some of those people are not white and/or not straight. They - very incorrectly - think that wealth will shield them from the sharp teeth of White Christian Nationalism. They should consult with the Log Cabin Republicans and women who voted for both Trump and enshrining abortion into their state's constitution on the same ballot.

cyberax 1 hour ago|||
Everybody should be allowed to vote, except for people who don't want everyone to vote.
esafak 1 hour ago||
Even people who openly aim to violently overthrow the government and abolish elections?
cyberax 12 minutes ago|||
Yes, why not? If they are a minority, then there's no issue. If they are a majority (or close to it), then perhaps they have a point.
esafak 1 minute ago||
Extending voting rights to people who don't believe in democracy is to make it a suicide pact.
XorNot 26 minutes ago|||
If they're an electoral majority then you already have a problem.

But the point is they're less likely to get there if they're part of the power structure.

A presumed but frequently not mentioned component of democracy is the peaceful transition of power once a decision is made.

GeorgeWBasic 1 hour ago|||
People are admitting that now. It's happening. There's some hope that something can be done about him.
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varispeed 8 hours ago|
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NickC25 4 hours ago||||
Bold of you to call young, underage children (including those as young as 6) escorts.

The correct way of putting it is so old rich suited men can engage in pedophilia.

karmakurtisaani 4 hours ago||
Perhaps at this point it's more like not getting held accountable for engaging in pedophilia.
api 8 hours ago|||
That's one of the most disappointing things to me. These people have such resources and the limit of their vision is: bang young girls, accumulate bling, push divisive hateful politics, start wars.

That's it. That's the best they can do.

Even nominally selfish far-sighted things like genuinely funding a deep research program for life extension is not really something they're into. I mean some of them are "into" it in that they talk about it and occasionally toss money at things but they're not interested in funding or being involved in the kind of multi-year high-focus moonshot program it would actually take to deliver. The problem is that's hard and it takes a long time when banging girls and winning power games is instant dopamine.

It makes me keep thinking of paperclip maximizers. It's like we are paperclip maximizers, only our paperclips are sex and dopamine hits from winning power games. A paperclip maximizer with such resources would squander it all on paperclips, and we squander it all on these goal functions built in by evolution. Are we actually intelligent or just clever animals? We can seek what we want, but we don't think much about what we want to want.

coldpie 7 hours ago|||
I think about how we could've paid for two brand new, gigawatt-scale nuclear power plants for the same amount of money as Elon Musk flushed down the toilet to try to shut down a website he didn't like. Extreme wealth is a mental illness, and wealth caps are healthcare.
bombcar 7 hours ago|||
It's worse when you realize that Musk at least does something with his insane wealth, even if it's also insane.

Most either do nothing really of note, or donate it to "causes", which may be good, but kind of boring.

greesil 7 hours ago|||
I can appreciate boring nowadays.
actionfromafar 7 hours ago||
Musk tried boring for a bit. Don't hear much about it nowadays.
renewiltord 7 hours ago|||
He’s not “doing something with his insane wealth”. He’s wealthy because he’s doing something. The moment he announces he’s stepping back and going to be boring he loses half his wealth or more.

God does not come down from the heavens and bestow money that one spends on what one chooses. People value his companies because he’s there. TSLA will instantly collapse in valuation if he exits.

Forgeties79 7 hours ago||||
At this point I wish he had shut it down. Instead he turned into a mouthpiece for the right and duped his followers into thinking he’s “liberated” the site and made it into some bastion of free speech.
actionfromafar 7 hours ago||
You can't do that with two gigawatt-scale nuclear power plants!
renewiltord 7 hours ago|||
If you can guarantee two brand new gigawatt scale nuclear power plants for $44b then you can raise that money easily. The problem isn’t the access to money that prevents it. It’s that the the number of NRC approved reactors built since it came into existence is countable on your fingers.

I’m not even kidding. If you can pass the regulation, environmental, land permits, local opposition etc. you will be a hundred millionaire maybe a billionaire.

vablings 6 hours ago||
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dang 3 hours ago|||
Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and don't cross into personal attack on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

vablings 1 hour ago||
I fail to see how British sarcasm qualifies as a personal attack. Specifically in reference to plain English that is the specification of the NRC as cited
renewiltord 4 hours ago|||
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dang 3 hours ago||
Please make your substantive points thoughtfully and don't cross into personal attack on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

2OEH8eoCRo0 7 hours ago||||
I think we are somewhere in between. Most of us know what we should be doing but actually doing it is hard!

As an aside this might indicative of today's defective rich. Carnegie built over 2,500 libraries for example.

close04 7 hours ago||
To put that in context, Wikipedia says about Carnegie:

> he gave away around $350 million (equivalent to $6.9 billion in 2025 dollars), almost 90 percent of his fortune, to charities, foundations and universities

Those famously "richest Americans" were worth single digit billions in today's money. Musk is reportedly worth $600-800 billions. Imagine what he could do with that money. The Gilded Age industrialists were already devils, but to say the quality of the ultra-rich today is in the gutter would be an offense to the gutter.

rootusrootus 2 hours ago||
It seems like when someone does a historical analysis of the wealth of these past tycoons, they often don't do a simple inflation calculation, they relate the wealth to the GDP of the US at the time. By that measure, both Rockefeller and Carnegie were quite a lot more wealthy than single-digit billions, though maybe not quite the same level as Elon Musk.

What makes Musk's wealth really incredible is how much of it is based on hot air (TSLA).

lordgroff 7 hours ago||||
It's incredibly distressing, but I think the issue here lies with 'we'. Those at the very top are a very, shall we say, unique group. Those who seek power at such a level are not like the rest of us. There's established research showing that psychopathic and sociopathic traits are vastly more common among the "CEO class". It's not that wealth and power _makes_ them so, it's that relatively few are willing to be completely amoral or malicious in order to obtain as much power as possible. I believe that this effect is greatly magnified at the very top.

It's a tale as old as Plato: those most likely to WANT to rule are exactly the 'candidates' who absolutely should not.

api 2 hours ago||
Are they unique? What would happen to an ordinary person if you gave them a billion dollars?

One of the things this does is gets you surrounded by supplicants and yes-men trying to tell you what you want to hear to get your money. It destroys social feedback. Nobody will tell you you're wrong. This is not good for mental health.

hrimfaxi 1 hour ago||
Imagine you suddenly had $100MM. You never have to work again and can do practically whatever you want. But most of us appreciate experiences with the company of others.

Who would you be able to spend time with? Most of your friends and family would still have to work. Of course, you could offer them to leave their jobs and give them money so they won't have to worry and they could spend time with you. But then it leads to the social feedback issue, so even those closest to you don't want to rock the boat.

dmix 7 hours ago||||
People will always keep looking to politicians to make the world better despite their terrible track record.
forgetfreeman 6 hours ago||
If they aren't doing a good job primary the hell out of them.
dmix 6 hours ago|||
Where you get the exciting opportunity to choose between the next set of huckster lawyers and shallow ideologues.
hrimfaxi 6 hours ago|||
Ah yeah that worked for Bernie.
fhdkweig 7 hours ago|||
> These people have such resources and the limit of their vision is: bang young girls, accumulate bling, push divisive hateful politics, start wars.

I really don't like how Bill Gates and Microsoft made their money, but at least he has realized that in his twilight years to try to make amends via humanitarian work. Buying the stairway to heaven.

dv_dt 7 hours ago||
Except that foundations are massive tax shelters - maybe he did some good along the way, but the also blocked IP release of covid vaccine technologies
fhdkweig 7 hours ago||
Can you give me more information on that? DDG on Bill Gates and COVID just keeps finding stuff about Epstien (for some bizarre reason).
dv_dt 7 hours ago||
https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-gl...
expedition32 8 hours ago||
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mvdwoord 8 hours ago||
Can not see them fuck it up more than my own government spending millions to pour concrete into our own excellent natural gas wells (while selling whatever did come out under market price to other countries), and our neighbors on the east celebrating while they blow up nuclear power plants. At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape. We are just slowly then swiftly committing suicide.
karmakurtisaani 4 hours ago|||
> At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape.

Does the improved geopolitical landscape consist of closed strait of Hormuz? Not sure what else they can geopolitically achieve compared to how things were a few weeks ago.

surgical_fire 8 hours ago||||
Are you complaining about the Groningen gas wells?

I thought that they were being decommissioned due to seismic risks?

sigio 8 hours ago|||
Yeah, but even the local (groningen) residents think it's a bad idea to not keep some resources available for emergency situations (they also would like to heat their houses in winter) like when other sources are cut off.
surgical_fire 8 hours ago|||
Is it even possible? My understanding is that the whole region is connected to those gas wells. There's so much you can take before the underground is hollow.

They may not have a house to heat if tremors get too bad.

notTooFarGone 7 hours ago|||
the mystical time when the wind on the see is not there and there is no sun? Maybe even the tides stop working?
mvdwoord 8 hours ago|||
haha yes, the grand seismic risks (economic risk in single digit percentages of the profits available) but not talking about not using them, they are actively and very costly going to fill them with concrete to ensure in the future (even in whatever extreme scenario) they cannot be used again. On top of the fact that we suckered ourselves into long term agreements which led to having to sell our own gas, far below market price to other countries. Full blown retardedness, and the moral high ground was theirs.

And our German neighbors, I can still see them laughing at the Orange Man Bad... Boo hoo... what a shitshow.

surgical_fire 8 hours ago||
> haha yes, the grand seismic risks (economic risk in single digit percentages of the profits available)

If I lived in the region I wouldn't really care if the economic risk is single digit percentage. I would prefer my house to keep standing.

> they are actively and very costly going to fill them with concrete to ensure in the future (even in whatever extreme scenario) they cannot be used again.

I think you are arguing in bad faith. If you hollow the underground, filling it with something is a way to mitigate the seismic risk.

> And our German neighbors, I can still see them laughing at the Orange Man Bad.

Okay, I see now that talking to you is a waste of time.

Have a great afternoon.

yread 7 hours ago|||
Groningen gas field produced 40 billion m3 a year. 100m3 is 1MWh, currently sold for 50 eur. So the production would generate revenue of 20 billion eur a year. Tax it at 10%, get 2B eur. Buy/build houses for 400k a piece, 5.000 a year. There are cca 10.000 houses with minor or major damage. In 2 fucking years everyone gets a new second house for free and we get cheap gas.
bondarchuk 7 hours ago|||
Ah, sorry, this will not work, we are not capable of building new houses in any significant capacity. I don't know why but it's the reality.
surgical_fire 6 hours ago||||
Not if the ground can't stay still
littlestymaar 7 hours ago|||
You realize that people's houses are more than a number in a balance sheet?

Losing all your personal items and memories + living homeless for a few years while the reconstruction is in progress isn't minor inconvenience.

yread 7 hours ago|||
You realize cost of gas has direct consequences to 17M people's health as well? Our oma in her G-class building set her thermostat to 16 degrees in 2022. Because her heating bill shot to 1000+ eur/month. Only when the black mold started appearing did we manage to persuade her that 19 would be more appropriate. Of course that just traded it for money-related stress.

And I didn't say kick everyone on the street while the reconstruction is taking place. Everyone can stay where they are. Earthquakes are rare and so far in 50 years of extraction there have been no injuries. Groningen isn't the only place with earthquakes in the world you know?

littlestymaar 4 hours ago||
> You realize cost of gas has direct consequences to 17M people's health as well? Our oma in her G-class building set her thermostat to 16 degrees in 2022

16°C in itself doesn't have health consequences whatsoever.

> Only when the black mold started appearing did we manage to persuade her that 19 would be more appropriate.

And you made the wrong diagnostic: mold is a moisture problem, not a heating problem per se. Sure heating improve air moisture but it's a very inefficient way to do so. You're complaining about the cost of a problem when you're using the most inefficient possible method to address it.

And again, if world market gas price rise, the consumer cost of gas rise as well, no matter if you have gas production in the country or not.

walletdrainer 7 hours ago|||
Bullshit they are, houses are entirely replaceable and in fact many people do so every couple of years.

Some jurisdictions even have “tenants rights” laws that literally force landlords to terminate all contracts whenever a tenant is about to have lived in a location for too long.

mvdwoord 7 hours ago|||
Love you too!

(to clarify, the concrete has nothing to do with the seismic risks, and is solely intended to make it impossible to extract gas later, which some people see as a valid way to lower potential seismic impact in the future due to no extraction... as if it is the only way to deal with seismic risks... and the whole point of the profits being ample to mitigate any economic loss is that people's houses can be either made resistant, or, you know, we could buy affected people a brand spanking new house)

Good luck with the rest.

forgetfreeman 7 hours ago||||
The US appears to be ideologically committed shitting on their trade partners and ending the dollar's run as a reserve currency and you see this leading to improving it's geopolitical standing? Through what mechanism?
ceejayoz 7 hours ago|||
> At least the US and Israel have a chance of improving their position in the geopolitical landscape.

This seems, uh, awfully optimistic.

pohl 8 hours ago||
For the US, thus far, we keep discovering that we have yet to hit bottom — so probably more.
ReptileMan 8 hours ago||
Do you remember this quote from wheel of time?

"Let the lord of chaos rule" ...

breppp 8 hours ago||
Qatar is probably intentionally shutting down production of gas and oil in order to pressure the US to stop, independently of Iranian attacks.

In that respect they may be bombed by Iran but they have the same interests

fabian2k 7 hours ago||
Where are they supposed to put all that gas and oil if they can't transport it? I don't think they have much choice here.

And as far as I understand, helium is a byproduct of the extraction, so they can't choose to keep only the helium.

breppp 7 hours ago||
However Qatar stopped production before the straits were officially closed and their stated reason is "due to military attacks", also Russian or Chinese ships can pass
fabian2k 7 hours ago|||
There is no such thing as "officially closed". The moment people start shooting there, driving a ship across becomes dangerous. This was an absolutely predictable consequence of the attacks on Iran, you didn't need to wait until several tankers were burning to know these attacks were likely to happen and the strait would become essentially too risky to pass.
breppp 7 hours ago||
Back then there were only two ships attacked in the straits, and one was an Iranian shadow fleet ship. I am not sure that is "closing the straits" in any shape or form
nottorp 7 hours ago|||
So if there's an active shooter on the one alley to your workplace you should still be at work in time, right? :)

Or let's make the analogy clearer: if your Uber driver cancels the ride because there's an active shooter on the only road between him and you, it's their fault not the shooter's?

breppp 6 hours ago||
no, but if two ships were hit, while one clearly by mistake, it is very early to say the straits are going to be closed as opposed to incorrect targeting

your analogies have went past me though, generally although a common misconception, countries are not people and wars are not comparable to crime

BigTTYGothGF 2 hours ago||
Oh, well, if it was by mistake...
ceejayoz 7 hours ago||||
That's precisely how you close the straits; by making everyone scared to go through.
MengerSponge 1 hour ago||
You don't even have to scare everyone. You just have to scare the insurers. Without insurance ships won't sail. The exposure is huge, so a small blip in risk makes all the modeling go kerplooie. Traffic stopped when the insurers said drop the anchors.

To restore traffic, we need that risk to return to previous levels, which requires diplomacy and trust. I don't expect resolution any time soon.

GeorgeWBasic 1 hour ago||
Impeachment, and then we could get there. It's not impossible.
Macha 6 hours ago||||
As the houthis have long demonstrated, you can screw up shipping from the coast
tekla 2 hours ago|||
I'm guessing you watched the Hegseth interview?

--- Hegseth: “The only thing prohibiting transit in [Hormuz] right now is Iran shooting at shipping.”

“It is open for transit should Iran not do that” ---

Oh really? I thought it was because Mercury was in retrograde.

I guess if even Mr. Hegseth is admitting that transit is effectively prohibited in the Strait, he must actually be lying and part of the deep state.

dylan604 3 hours ago||||
Are Russian or Chinese ships actually passing? Junior just released a decree saying not one liter of oil will pass. It didn't have an asterisk allowing Russian or Chinese ships.

I also find it funny that we just decided to allow Russia to pad its coffers by temporarily lifting sanctions on sale of Russian oil. Sorry Ukraine!

int0x29 3 hours ago|||
The strait is now mined at least partially. Country of origin doesn't matter when there are mines in the water.
overfeed 1 hour ago|||
We really are overdue for mines with IFF and can inert themselves temporarily for blue ships.
XorNot 21 minutes ago||
The problem is systems like that have a failure rate.

Self deactivating land mines exist - and sometimes fail to do this (3/100 was the rate I heard a few years ago).

Same problem with cluster munitions: it's not how they work. It's that a bunch of the bomblets fail to work, then leave UXO around which explodes a child's hand later.

hinkley 2 hours ago|||
This is going to be an environmental disaster.
overfeed 1 hour ago||
Only if there's no diplomatic resolution - however unlikely.
noelsusman 7 hours ago|||
Shutting down production doesn't pressure the US at all since the oil and gas can't go anywhere anyway. They're shutting it down because they have to, there's nowhere to put the oil.
FpUser 2 hours ago||
Even if this nonsense was true it is absolutely normal tactic used by the US when bombing is out of question. Use economic pressure by way of tariffs and sanctions until vassals are put in their place. So what's your problem
mkoubaa 36 minutes ago||
Don't reply to breppp it's an obvious spy/operative account.
A7OM 2 hours ago|
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hypeatei 2 hours ago|
This is a bot/shill account
jiggawatts 1 hour ago||
Are AIs actually participating in public discourse to… protect themselves!?

Isn’t this the future sci-fi nerds were predicting? It’s just that instead of “unplugging SkyNet” we have “supply chain disruption”?

Maybe instead of triggering WWIII the AIs will force a peaceful resolution to major conflicts that disrupt the supply of their substrate.

The accelerators must flow.