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Posted by TMWNN 6 days ago

LotusNotes(computer.rip)
169 points | 106 commentspage 2
maztaim 1 day ago|
I had a not great experience with Notes. It was slow and cumbersome. I had become used to Outlook for e-mail, plain simple e-mail. It was fast, light and didn't treat everything as a note. Notes is this heavy app that was slow to load anything with an early 90's aesthetic.

I worked for a large financial (~80,000 employees) that decided to move to Notes from in-house exchange servers well after it was obvious Microsoft had won the productivity wars. Rumor mill suggested it was brought in at the direction of a board member who just so happened to have close interests with IBM.

It set overall productivity back by at least 5 years before executives were forced to make a very decisive and quick move to O365. The reason given were scalability issues, the overwhelming cost of purchasing P-Series hardware (6-digits for one server) by the rack to keep up with demand along with the cost of developers attempting to make something useful for all of the different business needs.

Last I checked they are still stuck with some small, but essential work being diverted through Notes despite the move back to Microsoft.

tracker1 1 day ago||
I have such mixed memories regarding Lotus Notes... prior to working with software dev, I'd worked a few contract stints in data entry/lookup because I could type and 10-key very fast. Later I'd work a few different developer contract roles at the same large banking company.

One such contract was to exfiltrate a Notes based application and it's data in to a new application. Apparently integration was the real issue at hand and I can understand why after just dipping my toes into Notes. I can see how easy Notes is to create things, It was nicer than MS Access IMO. But trying to reverse engineer from said apps was painful to say the least. It turns out that the app in question ws so broadly hated, that 3 different groups had already been doing the exact same thing, with 2 others looking into it. They decided to look at the different teams in place and pick one to move forward. It wasn't the team I was on that was kept and so ends my experience with Lotus/IBM Notes.

As a pure employee a few years earlier, Notes was pretty nifty, it was used to integrate just about everything in the company. Definitely gives insight into where a lot of Dilbert jokes came from, definitely from Notes. Though allowing JavaScript in HTML email with early Outlook was a really bad design decision as well.

baggachipz 1 day ago||
My first dev job was a Notes developer. It really was an amazing piece of tech in hindsight. IMO their real folly was chasing the web trend; at its heart it was a groupware product, and they tried to make it be too many things to everybody. I spent most of my time trying to wrestle it into doing things it wasn't meant to do. It got me extremely proficient with LotusScript which led to other opportunities (Hello ASP!) but the whole thing is a shame. Had they stayed in their lane with the product, it might still be alive and widely used today.
tracker1 1 day ago|
For that matter, had they invested in a web plugin that treated domino as a thin client server, they may also still be around today. Though load balancing would probably take a bit more work.
_nhh 1 day ago||
I joined a company in 2025 an since then I am tasked with porting all Lotus Notes databases to the web (spa+restapi). Funny to see all the comments living in the past as its so present to me.
tracker1 1 day ago|
I haven't even seen Notes in the wild since around 2008 or so...
peter_retief 1 day ago||
I have certification in Lotus Notes, I quite liked it. Fairly simple to create an application but not being open source was a problem.
YVoyiatzis 1 day ago||
When the Mac version came out, I was all over it. WordPerfect user at the time, but wird processing was king back then. It would freeze and crash and irritate me. But I loved using it. If anything, it made things interesting for us Mac users as our options to PC software were quite virtually nonexistent.
mathattack 1 day ago||
I worked at a Lotus shop in the 90s. It was great until everyone moved to the web, and then it got too clunky. Fat clients that stored tons of data locally weren’t the thing anymore.

When that company moved off of Notes despite the massive investment, the writing was on the wall even if the product survived for a few decades under IBM.

unfirehose 1 day ago||
my favorite part of lotus notes is the password scrambler that prevents people snooping over your shoulder to steal password, I implemented this on my front-end at unsandbox dot com you can test it on teh console page even without an account, the portal itself does not have accounts.
peter_retief 1 day ago||
I have been waiting for someone to open source lotus notes, sadly the time is probably past.
cake-rusk 2 days ago|
It was bad. There was a dedicated site called lotusnotessucks.com or something like that. It does not exist anymore but here is an article about it: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2006/feb/09/guardianw...
cake-rusk 2 days ago||
Here's a quote from the article. Hopefully this helps the people with rose tinted glasses get some perspective...

>Lotus Notes is used by millions of people, but almost all of them seem to hate it. How can a program be so bad, yet thrive?

projektfu 1 day ago|||
It's like the two types of languages: the ones everybody complains about, and the ones nobody uses.
tracker1 1 day ago|||
VB6? I mean, you could do some great things with it, and it was pretty easy to do things with. That said, so many people doing things with it didn't really know what they were doing, had no UX understanding and just created slop.

I think half the issues people have with AI today are simply because AI has seen just as much slop in the real world as it has "good, clear code."

slater 1 day ago|||
Same. There was a running joke that there's exactly two people who love Lotus Notes: The boss, cos they signed off on it and can never be wrong and it shows commitment to productivity increases and nobody got fired for buying IBM and bla bla bla. The other person was the guy implementing it, cos money, money, money!

The boots on the ground cried "ugh, Lotus Notes!" in unison and just had to deal with byzantine key combos, nonstop client crashes/unresponsiveness, and moronic UI decisions some 3-person team made in like 1987.

I have opinions.

goatlover 1 day ago||
The development environment was quite good. It did replication and permissions really well. Email was integrated into the workflow. The Domino server was excellent. But people seemed to like the Outlook interface much better and didn't seem to care as much for implementing workflows using email.

I don't recall the client having much crashing and unresponsive issues, but I do recall people finding the UI unintuitive compared to MS products, and of course the custom products built with Notes could vary quite a bit. But so does the web, particularly the early web.

But then you can say the same thing about people building Excel apps and that has been a selling point. Or Powerpoint presentations that people complain about but keep using.

jasondigitized 1 day ago||
As a email client.
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