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Posted by campuscodi 10 hours ago

Office.eu launches as Europe's sovereign office platform(office.eu)
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himata4113 9 hours ago|
Has it been hugged this easily? Doesn't load for me.
dlev_pika 9 hours ago||
As an American, I remember when none of this was an issue a mere 18 months ago, and it’s crazy to think we did this to ourselves. This is all so unnecessary… and dumb, very dumb.
Muromec 8 hours ago||
It was. The recent 18 months gave it more momentum of course, but it didn't just appear out of nowhere.

From: https://amsterdam.raadsinformatie.nl/document/16563456/1/Mee... (which is not the Hague, but Amsterdam)

>1.1 Introductie >Op 28 maart 2024 heeft de gemeenteraad van Amsterdam unaniem ingestemd met het (gewijzigde) initiatiefvoorstel Amsterdam Digitaal Onafhankelijk van raadslid IJmker

English:

>On March 28, 2024, the Amsterdam City Council unanimously approved the (amended) initiative proposal Amsterdam Digital Independent by Council Member IJmker

int_19h 9 hours ago||
Some European countries were trying to reduce their dependency on proprietary American software for decades now, with varying success. The recent events have likely accelerated this trajectory, but it is not new.
dgxyz 7 hours ago||
Yeah no. I want entirely offline stuff that runs within equipment I completely control going forwards.

One thing this whole current shit show says is geopolitics are too unstable to put your data into any system or legal jurisdiction you don’t directly control.

nradov 9 hours ago||
Good luck to them, but without an equivalent to Microsoft Access it's not really a replacement for Microsoft Office for many power users. (Yes, I'm aware that Access has some weaknesses as a database but for quick-and-dirty custom applications it's still the easiest platform out there.)
flumpcakes 9 hours ago||
In 25 years I have never seen anyone use Microsoft Access in earnest. For the overwhelming majority of users I do not think this is an issue. The last time I used it was when studying for CLAiT Plus.
rsynnott 9 hours ago||
... Wait, people are still using MS Access?! I didn't even realise that there was still a current version.

> but for quick-and-dirty custom applications it's still the easiest platform out there.

So I'm a big LLM sceptic. Seriously, you can check. But if there is one thing that LLMs _are_ quite good at, it is the sort of quick and (very) dirty custom CRUD apps traditionally produced with Access.

indubioprorubik 7 hours ago||
The problem is that the Oslo world is deeply encoded into the DNA of the European union and its elites. The very goal of "restoring" the old world is what they have in mind. The moment that goal seems to even just return as a hallucination, they will drop all of these initiatives and defect. Everyone knows, so nobody even tries to get something real built.

With the university who trained these politicians, with the institutions who shaped them, with these politicians who created this multi-crisis - believing everyone out there was invested in a stable world as they were- a independent Europe is not possible. They just have to much hackable surface, to much API, they will crawl before any hacker offering them a way "back out" with the decades to come.

gardenhedge 7 hours ago||
> You will be able to choose. Office EU can connect to different AI providers through APIs, such as ChatGPT, Mistral, and others

Seems a misstep to list an American AI provider first...

PowerElectronix 9 hours ago||
The EU tech ecosystem is sadder every day
gizajob 9 hours ago||
Launching now!

Join waitinglist. For a web app of Google docs.

flumpcakes 9 hours ago|||
Care to expand further?
heraldgeezer 7 hours ago||
Just click the link.

You don't see how pathetic this rebrand of Nextcloud is?

It is practically a scam.

throw310822 9 hours ago||
The problem is that every attempt at European alternatives is taken at the government level (of some member country or of the EU) and immediately announced with great fanfare as the European comeback. The pathetic thing about it is that everybody who isn't totally clueless sees how utterly inadequate these attempts are, given the political involvement, the microscopic resources invested, the lack of incentives from competition, and the general hostility of European legislation and bureaucracy. And yet politicians keep making fools of themselves announcing this or that EU answer to American tech.
lashull 9 hours ago||
wtf!? I enter my email address for an invitation, receive a link to an est. 2 pages form for answering a shit load of unrelated question, like org name, org country, last summer vacation, first time I got pimples... Is this a request to become the next pope?
toinewx 8 hours ago|
this whole thing is a bait
heraldgeezer 7 hours ago|
To preface, I am Swedish.

But I work in IT and Office 365 is not "Office suite online" anymore. Office 365 started with running Exchange in the cloud by MS as it is a PITA for IT. That was basically it.

Office 365 is now:

- Office suite, both online and desktop apps (Vital for full feature Excel)

- Entra for Users, Groups and Policy, SSO, conditional access, MFA (Entra is actually Azure AD, not sure if this is still the case but all Office 365 get an Azure AD tenant it runs on)

- Device management via Intune, that is policy, push apps/installs, reinstalls, Autopilot, run scripts etc on machines, device state config

- File sharing with Sharepoint & Teams & personal Onedrive (this also adds endpoint backup)

- Teams - chat, video, workspace - We live in Teams at work.

- Email (that includes admin, extensive admin)

- DLP - Data loss prevention

- The power suite where users & admins can make their own apps

+ MS Graph API for all this

Oh, and it comes with Copilot chat baked in (GTP 5.3 based now) with enterprise controls.

At a big company you can have people ONLY working on the Entra part to secure user accounts. Or people ONLY on Intune to setup and manage PCs, policy etc.

Office 365 is a beast and I will argue GSuite does not match up as companies basically HAVE to buy Slack on the side to get parity. Also sysadmin on GSuite sucks.

The link actually made me laugh but also sad. It is frankly embarrassing. We in EU can do tech Spotify, Klarna, Lovable, Mojang, Dice, Arelion, Ericsson and this is only in Sweden. Look at a 4G network, it is insanley complex.

So yea not sure what the solution is. But this is too little too late. It should have started in 2008 maybe they would have a chance. It is also sheer numbers. MS is massive and Azure/O365 is their cash cow now. They make sure it is damn good.

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