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Posted by kermatt 9 hours ago

The 49MB web page(thatshubham.com)
340 points | 181 commentspage 4
opengrass 5 hours ago|
Removing the round navbar in the other pages is unsettling.
Crowberry 7 hours ago||
I hate this trend of active distraction. Most blogs have a popup asking you to subscribe as soon as you start scrolling.

It’s as if everyone designed their website around the KPI of irritating your visitors and getting them to leave ASAP.

throwatdem12311 7 hours ago||
49mb web page? Try a 45mb graphql response.
shevy-java 7 hours ago||
Ublock origin helps mitigate at the least a little bit here.
65 5 hours ago||
I worked at big newspapers as a software engineer. Please do not blame the engineers for this mess. As the article says news is in a predicament because of the ads business model. Subscriptions alone usually cannot cover all costs and ads will invariably make their way in.

For every 1 engineer it seems like there are 5 PMs who need to improve KPIs somehow and thus decide auto playing video will improve metrics. It does. It also makes people hate using your website.

I would constantly try to push back against the bullshit they'd put on the page but no one really cares what a random engineer thinks.

I don't think there's any real way to solve this unless we either get less intrusive ad tech or news gets a better business model. Many sites don't even try with new business models, like local classifieds or local job boards. And good luck getting PMs to listen to an engineer talking about these things.

For now, the bloat remains.

WhitneyLand 5 hours ago||
The sad thing is, this is already a paywalled site.

I’m afraid someone who wants to support professional journalism and agrees to pay ~$300/yr for an NYT subscription still gets most (all?) of this nonsense?

nativeit 4 hours ago|
It's certainly one of the reasons why I ended my NY Times subscription in 2024, and split that money between recurring donations to public media, Archive.org, and the EFF.
Bratmon 8 hours ago|
Maybe I'm just getting old, but I've gotten tired of these "Journalists shouldn't try to make their living by finding profitable ads, they should just put in ads that look pretty but pay almost nothing and supplement their income by working at McDonalds" takes.
ronsor 8 hours ago||
Well, I'm going to block the ads anyway (or just leave), so if they're trying to find profitable ads, they may need to revise their strategy.
jdross 8 hours ago||
“I’m going to either steal your work in a way you don’t consent to, or not consume it” isn’t really great. The alternative is paywalls
xigoi 7 hours ago|||
Steal? Their server gave me some HTML and it’s up to my user agent to present it however I want.
zoklet-enjoyer 7 hours ago|||
Much of their work consists of poorly sourced articles, sensationalism, disinformation, and bias to sway the audience.
decimalenough 8 hours ago|||
I'm pretty sure people would read more and click on more ads if they didn't have to endure waiting for 49 MB of crap and then navigating a pop-up obstacle course for each article.
Bratmon 7 hours ago||
100,000 people clicking at $0.01 CPM is way worse for them than 10,000 people clicking at $2 CPM.
scared_together 7 hours ago|||
In the case of the New York Times, they have subscriptions and many are willing to pay for their work - but their subscriptions are not ad-free.
vesselapi 4 hours ago||
This is what killed my willingness to subscribe to most outlets. If I'm paying, I expect the page to load in under a second with zero tracking. Instead you get the same bloated experience minus a banner ad or two.
neya 8 hours ago|||
This argument is valid if journalism was actually journalism instead of just ripping off trending stories from HN and Reddit and rehashing it with sloppy AI and calling it a day and putting in 4 lines of text buried inside 400 ads.
pibaker 7 hours ago||
I don't like the state of journalism either but you realize this is a vicious cycle, no? People not paying for news (by buying newspaper, or more importantly paying for classified ads) leading to low quality online reporting leading to people not wanting to pay for online news.
curtisblaine 7 hours ago||
I never understand this type of comment. People don't pay for news so newspapers (which by the way have pay walls) are forced to degrade their service. It seems strange to me. If I have a restaurant and people don't want to pay for my food, making even worse food with worse service doesn't seem a good solution. If I write books and people don't buy them, writing worse books doesn't make my sales better. Why journalists are different? They sell a service for money like all the others, but for some reason they have a special status and it's totally understandable that they respond to bad sales with a worse product. And actually, somehow it's our fault as customers. For some reason we should keep buying newspapers even if we don't think it's worth to save them from themselves.
apublicfrog 6 hours ago||
Using your analogy, if every restaurant in town had a problem where most people wanted to come in and get food for free (and it was an expectation in the industry) and people refused to go in and pay, everyone would be upset they could no longer go out to eat when there were none left. If nobody is interested in paying for their meal, you can't be shocked the ingredient and chef quality drops in turn.
bsjshshsb 8 hours ago|||
49MB or homelessness? There is surely other options.
Bratmon 6 hours ago|||
If you can think of any, then congratulations! You've saved journalism!

You should probably tell someone so the knowledge doesn't die with you.

pocksuppet 6 hours ago||
48MB
Bratmon 6 hours ago||
Which MB should they cut out?

Bear in mind that any cut that reduces their CPM or rate of conversation to paid will have to also include an equivalent reduction in their staff.

bsjshshsb 2 hours ago||
Maybe the old "speed the page up and fewer people will bounce" adage applies?
hilbert42 7 hours ago||||
Solution, see my post. ;-)
surcap526 7 hours ago|||
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curtisblaine 7 hours ago||
> Journalists shouldn't try to make their living by finding profitable ads

I mean, they can absolutely try. That doesn't mean they should succeed.