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Posted by terminalbraid 4 hours ago

Illinois Introducing Operating System Account Age Bill(www.ilga.gov)
187 points | 241 commentspage 3
thrill 4 hours ago|
“Use of this computer is illegal in the state of Illinois - your friendly neighborhood SWAT team has been notified.”
stackedinserter 2 hours ago||
Too much for Dem's state.
wosined 3 hours ago||
Karens making stupid bills. What is and what is not an OS?
SilverElfin 3 hours ago||
Every single sponsor of this bill is a Democrat. Why is that? I would think they’re against the type of puritanical moralizing that is behind most age verification bills.
ThinkingGuy 2 hours ago||
You must be too young to remember Tipper Gore...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipper_Gore

SilverElfin 2 hours ago||
Oh I remember. I just assumed things have changed enough, and that the threat of theocratic ideology - what’s behind project 2025 - would have made such stances unacceptable. My guess is this has more to do with lobbying and donor interest.
autoexec 1 hour ago||
they love money and facebook has the cash to bribe them
MarsIronPI 6 minutes ago||
"I like money." - Frito Pendejo
pengaru 4 hours ago||
i look forward to the police showing up and explaining to me how computing is a privilege, not a right
hypeatei 4 hours ago||
What are they going to do to enforce this? Take down open source projects that "operate" in Illinois because a user downloaded the software there? Absolute joke and everyone should treat it that way; advanced compliance here means implicit support for the surveillance state.
johndecktwo 3 hours ago||
Agelesslinux
desireco42 2 hours ago||
Why would California be dumb alone, let's show them we can be too... I don't know how else to read this.
fredgrott 3 hours ago||
here is the date I will put out....

1 10 0000

or even better

1 10 -2000

This will turn into most useless set of laws ever

exabrial 4 hours ago|
Why suddenly are all of the blue states doing this BS? What is going on and what control is this affording the government?
tadfisher 4 hours ago||
Lobbying from Meta. They do not want to do age-verification themselves (and pay for it).
RankingMember 4 hours ago|||
See the actors behind this here (Meta is a big one): https://tboteproject.com/
Nijikokun 4 hours ago|||
Meta is behind a huge amount of it, they have funded the majority of these
dzink 4 hours ago|||
Meta is lobbying with millions for it.
anonym29 4 hours ago|||
Blue states: paternalism over your property, liberty for your body

Red states: paternalism over your body, liberty for your property

gruez 4 hours ago||
except for during covid, where there was a weird reversal.
anonym29 3 hours ago||
I don't even know if that was much of a "reversal".

Blue states were paternalistic over both your property (business and social gathering shutdowns) and your body (masking, social distancing enforcement), while red states (particularly Texas, Florida) were very laissez-faire for both.

What's perplexing about this is that research has generally correlated higher amygdala activity (fear/worry) with political conservatism, and lower amygdala activity with political progressivism, but in this case, the effect seemed almost inverted.

mghackerlady 2 hours ago|||
In that case, I imagine that the response of mask mandates wasn't out of fear but was done do to the obvious benefit in controlling a disaster. The anti-masking movement is also I suspect a fear response. People are afraid of change, especially extremely visible change
logicchains 1 hour ago|||
Fear of infectious diseases is inversely correlated with testosterone levels, and so is liberalism.
tzs 13 minutes ago||
A few people have replied saying Meta lobbying, but the bills Meta is known to have lobbied for seem to be the ones that require actual age verification that would tend to increase the amount of personal data Meta gets.

Meta's lobbying spending is cited for states not doing that kind of bill, but that's their total lobbying spending in that state.

These new bills in the style of the California one do not require any actual age verification and don't give any information to sites or apps other than the age range that whoever made the user account on the device entered.

It is essentially just requiring a simple parental control mechanism be provided by the OS which provides a way for parents to set age ranges for the accounts of their children and an API that apps that need to check age can query.

On a Unix or Unix like system this could be as simple as having the command to create a user account ask for age or birthdate and store that somewhere (maybe a new field in /etc/passwd) and then adding a getage() function to the standard library that apps can call to get the age range for the current user.

From the "we want to slurp up everything we can about you" point of view usually associated with Meta it is not obvious why Meta would support this approach.

Age checks can broadly be divided into 3 categories.

1. Done entirely on the local system, with only the result being revealed to the app/site that is asking. Age information comes from the owner/administrator of the system. I.e., the parental control approach.

2. Done using the local system and some external source of age information like your government. Only the result is revealed to the app/site that is asking.

3. Verification is done directly with the site that is asking, or through a third party. You have to supply sensitive documents like your government ID to the site or the third party.

#3 is terrible for privacy and anonymity. The red state laws tend to be in this category.

#2 depends on the details. There may be ways using the timing of the communications between your system and your ID supplier (e.g., your government) and the communications between your system and the site you are proving ID to that could allow the site and the government to get more information that you want them to. There are cryptographic ways to prevent that, especially if the device has a hardware security module. It thus comes down to with #2 that you really need to look at the details.

I'm not sure if any US state is taking this approach. The EU is, with cryptography to make it GDPR compatible and allow anonymous verification. Google and Apple are also working on such systems.

#1 is basically equivalent to the "Are you 18+" dialogs on many adult web sites, except moves to the device and the admin can if they wish prevent non-admin users from lying.

It is not really surprising that blue states are tending more toward #1, especially considering that several of them are among the states that have the strongest state privacy and data protection laws.

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