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Posted by ibraheemdev 16 hours ago

Astral to Join OpenAI(astral.sh)
https://openai.com/index/openai-to-acquire-astral/
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ontouchstart 13 hours ago|
It is interesting to see this after yesterday’s announcement of Unsloth Studio:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47414032

Uv did solve a distribution problem for them.

There is still a lot of room to grow in the space of software packaging and distribution.

seanrrr 13 hours ago||
My initial reaction was being weirdly sad about this and I don't fully understand why yet. I read the headline, clicked into the link, and just went noooooooo. I really like uv and I hope it continues to do well, congrats to the team though and hope everyone there gets a good outcome.
pjmlp 15 hours ago||
Great that I keep using traditional Python tools.
bilalel 9 hours ago||
That's unfortunate for the python community. I can understand the move by Astral team, but it's still difficult to accept it.
duskdozer 15 hours ago||
Not surprised at all on this. I've been really suspicious about how hard `uv` was being pushed in 24/25.
moregrist 14 hours ago||
I think the push has been entirely organic. Compared to existing tooling, uv is fantastically fast.

One of the bigger pain points I’ve faced in Python is dependency resolution. conda could take 30-60 minutes in some cases. uv took seconds.

A serious quality of life improvement.

edelbitter 10 hours ago|||
> dependency resolution. conda could take 30-60 minutes

Quite literally this is what first raised the alarm bells for me. Dependency resolution complexity is more of a symptom. If that delay ends up being the point where Ops finally agrees that things have gone very wrong, then fixing that delay is not really helping hire the maintenance folks that can make those dependencies.. well, "dependable" again.

optionalsquid 11 hours ago|||
uv replaces pip (and venv, and pipx, and more), not conda. If you want a uv-equivalent that replaces conda, then look at pixi: https://pixi.prefix.dev/
moregrist 10 hours ago||
Sure, it replaces pip, but _we used conda_ for env management. And the slow part was still _dependency resolution_, much like pip.

Was there a better option? I’m sure. Choices were made. Regrets were had. Switching to uv was a huge improvement for our purposes.

optionalsquid 7 hours ago||
If all you are installing using conda is pypi packages and different versions of Python, then sure, uv is a fine replacement. I use it for that as well. But if you are using other conda/conda-forge/bioconda packages, then uv isn't a replacement since it cannot install those. However, Pixi can replace conda for that use-case and it's about as fast as uv since it uses uv's dependency resolution code
UqWBcuFx6NV4r 7 hours ago|||
Are you legitimately unable to tell the difference between something being “pushed” and people just legitimately liking and using something?

If you’re going to be a grump about everything, sometimes your broken clock is going to be right. It’s still not worth showing off.

zemo 14 hours ago|||
"was being pushed" ... by whom? I think there's widespread grassroots support for it because it's a good tool.
a_t48 14 hours ago|||
Hey now, I was a completely organic shill! I worked for free!
yoyohello13 14 hours ago||
uv and ruff are incredible tools for python development, and I've loved my time using ty. This acquisition is absolutely terrible.
linhns 12 hours ago||
> It is increasingly clear to me that Codex is that frontier.

I'm not really sure about this.

portly 10 hours ago||
Will this be the beginning of the Great Rust vs Zig battle ?
ebri 10 hours ago||
I will start migrating from uv, ty and ruff first thing this weekend. It will be painful but not being dependent on OpenAI will be more than worth it.
readitalready 15 hours ago||
I'd expect OpenAi to make some type of Github clone next, perhaps with Astral, or maybe with jujutsu.
PurpleRamen 14 hours ago|
Why? Github is already owned by Microsoft, who are deep in with OpenAI. And what worth would a Github-clone even have for the world? It's not like there is any important innovation left in that space at the moment, or are there any?
0x500x79 10 hours ago||
Better uptime? https://www.reuters.com/business/openai-is-developing-altern...
PurpleRamen 7 hours ago||
Ok, seems reasonable, but still a bit strange. If uptime is their problem, then a dedicated personal instance for their own projects seems good enough? But might be they have some other problems too.

On the other side, thinking about, if all the AI-Slope is moving to their own platform, it would be a big benefit for Github. And maybe this is their real goal? To let Github continue being a source of good high quality human-maintained training-material?

Tyrubias 15 hours ago|
I think it’s impossible to predict what will happen with this new trend of “large AI company acquires company making popular open source project”. The pessimist in me says that these products will either be enshittified over time, killed when the bubble bursts, or both. The pragmatist in me hopes that no matter what happens, uv and ruff will survive just like how many OSS projects have been forked or spun out of big companies. The optimist in me hopes that the extra money will push them to even greater heights, but the pessimist and the pragmatist beat the optimist to death a long time ago.
renewiltord 15 hours ago|
It’s open source. If you want it to go in a different direction fork it and take it in that direction. Instead of the optimist, the pessimist, and the pragmatist the guy you need is the chap who does some work.
UqWBcuFx6NV4r 7 hours ago||
And which one are you again? The least useful of them all.
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