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Posted by surprisetalk 3 hours ago

How to Not Pay Your Taxes(taylor.town)
84 points | 68 commentspage 2
tonymet 1 hour ago|
tax penalities are low interest loans, so you can invest the money and pay the IRS the penalties at the end of the year.
hnburnsy 16 minutes ago|
Not sure that I would classify 7% compounded daily as a low interest loan.
WarmWash 2 hours ago||
If what was supposed to be your tax dollars is instead going towards giving more people work to do (and hence generate more taxes) the government will be happy.
buellerbueller 1 hour ago||
Or, just pay your taxes. We collectively benefit from them.
pwenzel 1 hour ago||
Up to now, I would have agreed with you. However, many residents of cities victimized by ICE see paying federal taxes as money that goes directly toward an enemy that is destroying their communities. I will happily pay my city and state taxes, but I no longer feel that my my federal tax dollars are helping much.

I live in Minneapolis, MN. The Federal government has cut public health grants, Medicaid, laid off a large portion of he Department of Health, cut Department of Human services, cut school funding, cut University of Minnesota funding, cut heating assistance, cut flood mitigation, cut USDA programs, and cut SNAP. This is just the things I can remember! Our city hosts Hennepin County Medical Center, which provides emergency care to the entire state, and it is risking closing due to federal cuts.

Minnesota has historically paid more in federal taxes than other states, and contributes more than it gets back. I think it's time for a change.

racingmars 1 hour ago|||
Is there really any correlation between tax revenue and spending at the federal level anymore? It seems the U.S. government is willing to spend at huge deficit levels. If everyone stopped paying federal taxes I suspect nothing would change.
celeritascelery 1 hour ago|||
What would change is the government would need to greatly increase their debt. In 2025 the government got about $5.23 trillion in tax revenue and spent about $7 trillion. So most of the government spending is financed by taxes. Remove that and the rate of debt quadruples (and by extension inflation).
asdff 42 minutes ago||
When do we finally hit the cliff? Deficit has been going up for decades.
marcandre 1 hour ago|||
Magical thinking! You may as well recommend the government prints more money and give it to everybody...

In FY2025, the U.S. federal deficit was $1.78 trillion, with total revenue at $5.23 trillion, so clearly it's a majority of revenue.

charcircuit 1 hour ago||
We collectively benefit if you give me $1000 and I give you $1. That doesn't mean it's a good deal.
jimt1234 2 hours ago||
Highly recommend: https://www.youtube.com/@taxleverage
uoflcards22 2 hours ago||
super cool
josefritzishere 2 hours ago|
This feels like a great way to get audited by the IRS. It does not feel like sound advice.
crdrost 2 hours ago||
So the advice here is (from my understanding, not a tax lawyer) sound, but it is "unsound-adjacent" -- so a lot of people will start from this basic understanding and then go off into crazytown.

So like influencers get to hear other influencers explaining this "you can reinvest your profits and then you won't have profits" type of advice... but then they will put it right next to unsound advice about "by the way, a great way is to invest in a "business" trip to Greece to sail the Mediterranean, it is "team-building" between you and your spouse and kids who are all employees of your little influencer company, oh by the way you should buy fancy watches so that you can show them off in your videos, and get a very expensive hairstylist to do your hair -- as long as you make a video about it!"

And it's like, no, the tax courts actually have procedures they follow to determine if those things are personal expenses or business expenses and 90% of the advice that you hear here are some form of tax fraud.

But from the point of view of a company, as the tax year comes to an end you hopefully have extra money left in the bank, now you can either use it to buy things that the company needs and thus grow the company, or you can hold onto it where if you're a C-corp the government will take 21% of the year-on-year delta, or you can pay it back to the shareholders as a dividend and they pay 15% capital gains tax on it. (And of course you don't have to dump the whole account into just one bucket, you can choose how much goes into each of the three.) And when it gives the advice "pssst, you should probably reinvest most of it," that's a standard practice explicitly sanctioned by the government.

elliotec 2 hours ago|||
I don't know if you're right or wrong, but it is an incredibly common tactic and done all the time by many businesses and people. There are of course ways to do this that are less noticeable by the IRS (as acknowledged in the article) and it doesn't seem like they have the capacity to investigate and audit the vast amount of this practice. My understanding is they are typically focused on fraud and/or folks simply not filing.
compiler-guy 2 hours ago|||
All of these techniques are entirely routine for the average company with even a semi decent accountant, and only marginally increase the chance of an audit.

You do have to be sure you follow the rules and avoid various gotchas that other people in this section have pointed out, but otherwise it is entirely legal and routine.

trollbridge 10 minutes ago||
No kidding. It's pretty normal for a high-growth company to not turn a profit for years because they keep on taking on expenses to try to grow quickly, and this is explicitly allowed now for R&D.

Actively involved owners live off of a salary paid by the company.

dgb23 2 hours ago||
I'm getting very strong sarcastic vibes from the article.
munk-a 2 hours ago||
Nah, the maximally sarcastic advice for tax avoidance is "become president" then you can just refuse to prosecute yourself for tax evasion and sue yourself for a ridiculous sum of money when someone leaks your tax avoidance.