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Posted by bookstore-romeo 18 hours ago

ArXiv declares independence from Cornell(www.science.org)
688 points | 235 commentspage 3
vedantxn 11 hours ago|
we got this before gta 6
tornikeo 17 hours ago||
Now the question is, will arxiv wage a decade long bloody war with Cornell, using heavy infantry (PhD students), archers (reviewers) and field artillery (AI slop papers), or will the independence be mostly peaceful? Only time can tell.
alansaber 17 hours ago|
PhD students are levy infantry at best with Postdocs being the armoured levies.
dmos62 15 hours ago||
Is this Gondor or Mordor?
tokai 8 hours ago||
This is exactly what happened last time when scientific publishing got cornered. Journals run by departments and research groups were spun out or sold off to publishers and independent orgs. And they continued to slowly boil the frog over 50 years with fees and gate keeping.

Its especially problematic because while ArXiv love to claim to be working for open science, they don't default to open licensing. Much of the publications they host are not Open Access, and are only read access. So there is definitely the potential to close things off at some point in the future, when some CEO need to increase value.

OutOfHere 15 hours ago||
With 300K for the CEO, its enshittification will commence imminently. It will now serve to maximize revenue. Just wait and watch while they issue a premium membership, payment requirements for authors, and other revenue generators to please their investors.
exe34 15 hours ago|
they'll just turn into a shitty journal at this point, they just need to introduce peer review and they can start competing with the real journals on price point.

another will need to rise to take its place.

OutOfHere 15 hours ago||
> they'll just turn into a shitty journal at this point

To this end, they added an endorsement requirement this year: https://blog.arxiv.org/2026/01/21/attention-authors-updated-...

losvedir 9 hours ago||
arXiv is great. It's just a problem that there's so much slop. What if arXiv offered a subscription service that people in different fields could use to just see a curated selection of the top papers in their field each month. Established researchers in each field could then review some of the preprints for putting into the curated monthly list.

Oh, wait.

bonoboTP 33 minutes ago|
> see a curated selection of the top papers in their field

https://www.scholar-inbox.com

Peteragain 15 hours ago||
.. and soon to be dependent on US military funding? Controlled by someone who has run-ins with universities? This'll end in tears.
juped 11 hours ago||
>Cornell, for example, had a limited capacity to pay software developers to maintain and upgrade the site, which still has a very no-frills look and feel.

arXiv is doomed. It was nice while it lasted.

oscaracso 10 hours ago|
I am not a software engineer, although I do write programs. What is it about digital infrastructure that requires maintenance? In the natural world, there is corrosion, thermal fluctuation, radiation, seismic activity, vandalism, whathaveyou. What are the issues facing the arxiv demanding the attention of multiple people 'round the clock?
bonoboTP 10 hours ago||
They have to update the software stack, replace usage of deprecated APIs, support new latex packages etc. They could probably minimize these by limiting the scope but just keeping a small, tightly scoped software functional is always boring, people want to work on fun new features, they enjoy the brand recognition and feel like they should do more stuff.

I wonder when they will introduce the algorithmic feed and the social network features.

shevy-java 14 hours ago||
"Recently arXiv’s growth has accelerated. Since 2022, it has expanded its staff to 27, in large part to deal with a 50% increase in submitted manuscripts."

I am wary of that. IMO the business model is damaged therein. You can say in 2022 we had 27; bankrupt in 2030.

adamnemecek 17 hours ago||
Good call, ArXiv seems like one of the most important institutions out there right now.
kergonath 12 hours ago||
The French government put a bit of money on the table to help researchers fulfil their open science requirements for government and EU grants, and funded the HAL repository ( https://hal.science/ ). It’s much smaller than arXiv, but it exists. In other countries like the UK there are clusters of smaller repositories as well, but it’s not as well centralised.
p-e-w 17 hours ago|||
It’s so important, in fact, that there should be more than one such institution.

People keep falling into the same trap. They love monopolies, then are shocked when those monopolies jerk them around.

auggierose 16 hours ago|||
I am using Zenodo for a while now instead. It is more user friendly, as well.
mastermage 15 hours ago|||
Zenodo is more for IT Papers and also datasets isn't it?
auggierose 15 hours ago||
It can host large datasets as well, yes. It is hosted by CERN, so it is not specifically IT in any way. It also allows you to restrict access to the files of your submission. It has no requirements to submit your LaTeX sources, any PDF will be fine. There are also no restrictions on who can publish. You'll get a DOI, of course.

Everything published on arXiv could also be published on Zenodo, but not the other way around.

mastermage 8 hours ago||
oh interesting I didnt know this
Al-Khwarizmi 14 hours ago|||
I like it as well, it works great. But I wonder if it would scale if at some point there were a massive exodus from arXiv.
auggierose 13 hours ago||
I think it already hosts much more data than arXiv, given that they also host large datasets.
freehorse 15 hours ago||||
It is just a preprint repository. It is pretty open (the stories where a preprint was rejected or delayed unreasonably are extremely rare). It offers the basic services for a math/compsci/physics themed preprint repository.

I don't see much of a monopoly, nor any "moat" apart from it being recognised. You can already post preprints on a personal website or on github, and there are "alternatives" such as researchgate that can also host preprints, or zenodo. There are also some lesser known alternatives even. I do not see anything special in hosting preprints online apart from the convenience of being able to have a centralised place to place them and search for them (which you call "monopoly"). If anything, the recognisability and centrality of arxiv helped a lot the old, darker days to establish open access to papers. There was a time when many journals would not let you publish a preprint, or have all kinds of weird rules when you can and when you can't. Probably still to some degree.

andbberger 16 hours ago|||
there is. bioarxiv.
koakuma-chan 15 hours ago||
it just hosts pdfs, no?
aragilar 15 hours ago|||
It does do a fair amount of filtering of submissions, and it's a long term archive (e.g. for the next 100+ years). I suspect both (but with the former dominating) are the issue.
bonoboTP 12 hours ago||
Just put out a torrent and people of the sort at r/DataHoarder will keep it alive for longer than bureaucrats.
freehorse 15 hours ago||||
Well, technically, it can also compile your tex file if you upload the tex file instead of the pdf directly, which helps a lot in standardizing the stylistic structure between preprints. Most other repositories are wild west and inconsistent. I really appreciate the similarity in style applied to most preprints there. Moreover, this means you can also download not just the pdf, but the source tex file to, which can be very useful.
bonoboTP 12 hours ago||
The similarity in style comes from conference and journal templates, not from Arxiv. You can style your paper with latex in any style, Arxiv doesn't care. On Arxiv you mostly see preprints that people submit to conferences and journals and they enforce the style.
pfortuny 15 hours ago||||
Also the sources and has a very tame but useful pre-acceptance process.
IshKebab 14 hours ago|||
Technically yes, socially no.
Drblessing 8 hours ago|
ArXiv is dead. Expect a paywall within three years, or other enshittification and slop added.
Apocryphon 4 hours ago|
Maybe they'll do something like what Anna’s Archive did
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