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Posted by alephnerd 6 hours ago

Iran launched unsuccessful attack on UK's Diego Garcia(www.bbc.com)
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shishcat 4 hours ago|
The .io tld is going through rough times :pensive:
AndrewKemendo 4 hours ago||
Diego Garcia is strategically very important to global security according to the US

Had something actually struck within the ADIZ there would have been massive implications. My guess is they intentionally failed as a warning shot.

This isn’t a random act and its quite the signal if you know what it means, Iran knows what it did here.

noir_lord 4 hours ago||
Would the Americans and Isreali’s start bombing mainland Iran and takin out their weapons and oil/gas infrastructure as retaliation?.
spaghetdefects 4 hours ago|||
Americans and Israelis literally started this war by bombing an Iranian girl's school. They've been bombing Iran every day since then.
iamtheworstdev 3 hours ago||
i believe the parent comment was being sarcastic
chronic20001 4 hours ago|||
> Would the Americans and Isreali’s start bombing mainland Iran and takin out their weapons and oil/gas infrastructure as retaliation?.

No that’s too easy.

Give hope to Iran / Islamic world for a few months, then take it away.

visuhire 4 hours ago|||
I was reading that one of the two failed en route, and the other was intercepted. I don't think this was an intentional failure to hit.
AndrewKemendo 4 hours ago||
Sometimes getting shot down is the goal or at least a test to see what kind of response you’ll get
roughly 4 hours ago||
Iran did the same before the conflict in response to prior Israeli attacks - the two drone waves they sent that were intercepted were both demonstrations of capability, not actual attacks.

Unfortunately I’m not sure their current audience is gonna pick up the implied threat.

srean 3 hours ago|||
Iran even has a history of calling in their attacks to ensure no one gets hurt.

I don't think they did it this time, but they have in the past.

picture 3 hours ago|||
How do you know their intentions?

It's also a bit unreasonable to launch live munitions that have some 90% probability of being intercepted by a given system on a good day, while intending for "just a warning"

roughly 1 hour ago|||
> How do you know their intentions?

Because they declared them loudly.

When they launched the drone strikes on Israel, they gave Israel and the US warning time so they could be intercepted. The second time, they gave them much less warning time.

The Iranians have a long history of negotiating loudly via their actions, which anyone who's spent any reasonable amount of time studying Iran knows and has seen in action. They're really not a mystery, they're very transparent, we just don't like what they're saying.

AndrewKemendo 3 hours ago|||
It’s more like if David and Goliath are in a standoff

David takes a small rock and whips it at a sensitive spot on Goliath’s ankles that most people don’t know about (Diego Garcia)

David knows Goliath will probably dodge it, and most likely kick it away given it’s importance, but there’s a point being made by shooting: if it hits then that’s a win, but if gets knocked down it’s a warning that they know where they need to hit for it to hurt

Rebelgecko 4 hours ago|||
If you're already at war, why waste resources on warning shots?
AndrewKemendo 3 hours ago||||
Sometimes it’s worth it to test in production
CamperBob2 2 hours ago|||
See also the Doolittle Raid.
alephnerd 4 hours ago||
> This isn’t a random act and its quite the signal if you know what it means, Iran knows what it did here.

It also publicizes Iran-NK military cooperation on ballistics development, which the Biden admin warned about [0], as well as Iran-Russia military cooperation (which was obviously much less under-the-radar).

It also shows the merger of the Ukraine conflict with the West Asia conflict, and was a major reason why Fiona Hill argued we entered an unavoidable polycrisis in 2022 [1].

[0] - https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/us-officia...

[1] - https://xcancel.com/FrankRGardner/status/2027098560647348410...

AndrewKemendo 3 hours ago||
Agreed, there’s so much intelligence in this act it’s really astonishing
alephnerd 1 hour ago||
Yep. This action wasn't intended for the average HNer or Redditor to pontificate about.

Those who they wanted to send a message to got the message, and it's a significant message up the escalation chain.

Additionally, the fact that this is being very publicly disclosed and discussed in British media in a manner that RAF Akhrioti wasn't is also a massive signal.

10xDev 4 hours ago||
Can we just leave countries alone, like we do with North Korea?
AndrewKemendo 3 hours ago|
The reason people leave North Korea alone is because they have nuclear weapon(s)
10xDev 3 hours ago|||
So we can only reach stalemate once a country has nukes and otherwise have to start blowing up their schools?
lm28469 15 minutes ago|||
Why do you think Iran wanted to have nukes?

It's the only way to not get raped by the US whenever their supreme leader decides it's war time

AndrewKemendo 3 hours ago|||
According to postwar foreign policy clearly that’s true:

Look at Libya and Ukraine for your most direct examples - give away your nukes, get invaded. South Africa is an odd example that proves the rule: they simply bend the knee to the west.

Nuclear deterrents and mutual assured destruction has been the key driver in preventing large scale conflict in the “postwar period.”

Everyone knows Israel has nukes it’s just a matter of when they can get enough public support to use them

cameronh90 2 hours ago||
Mutually assured destruction does seem to deter conflict, but even assuming it works, it always seemed like a poor tradeoff to me.

Significantly reduce the frequency of small to medium-scale conflicts, in exchange for an inevitable, possibly apocalyptic nuclear conflict at some point. Maybe not this year, maybe not for centuries, but one day, someone will press the button.

extraduder_ire 3 hours ago||||
Prior to that, they had thousands of artillery pieces pointed at Seoul the presumed backing of China if the Korean war resumed.
bigfatkitten 1 hour ago||||
And because China won’t allow it.
energy123 2 hours ago||||
The reason people left North Korea alone while they were building nuclear weapons is because they weren't arming 5 terrorist proxies and they didn't have a doomsday countdown clock in their capital city.
10xDev 2 hours ago||
True, Kim Jong Un is actually pretty chill, just likes testing some nukes towards Japan as a hobby. Are people genuinely retarded? Or is it the severe Israel bias?
surgical_fire 23 minutes ago||
Both
PepperdineG 2 hours ago|||
They also have the GDP equivalent of JetBlue Airways
penguin_booze 1 hour ago|
> see a swift end to the conflict

I'll tell you a swifter method: rest of the world attack the US efforts and send them home. Then lock up the presidumb [sic] somewhere.

They stirred the hornets' nest. Now the rest of the world are getting stung, slowly dragging into an all-out war.

The rest of us could really use a regime change now--and it's not in Iran.