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Posted by wolfi1 13 hours ago

Chest Fridge (2009)(mtbest.net)
135 points | 76 commentspage 2
PaulKeeble 11 hours ago|
Its possible to design internal structures such that its easier to use as a Fridge and freezer with some loss of space to avoid having to reach down into it. It would waste space and some efficiency however, the more complicated it becomes with assisted lifting and such the worse the gap would become. But the problem is often space, a lot of kitchens do not have 2x the floor area to be putting in chests making them good for secondary storage somewhere else but not a primary kitchen appliance.

There is no doubt its better thermally just because cold air falls out the front of a normal fridge/freezer and huge amounts of energy are wasted everytime you open the door. A chest design looses considerably less of its cooled air but its also a lot more awkward to use and ends up less floor space efficient.

CyLith 11 hours ago|
Perhaps the solution is to rethink the role of the fridge in the kitchen. It could be designed to be a part of a kitchen island, or have cabinets placed above it. In conventional kitchens, a chest does not make sense. But it could be well integrated if we start with the assumptions the fridge will be a chest.
toast0 11 hours ago||
Refrigerated drawers in islands are definitely a thing in high end kitchens. But you typically have a large conventional fridge as well.
mememememememo 12 hours ago||
Why?

a: space.

A standup fridge freezer is floor space efficient.

How much rent is the chest freezer using per year :)

Made up numbers 10k for 1000sqft

10 per sq ft

So say $40 a year in rent. Still not too bad I guess

matthewfcarlson 11 hours ago|
$800 a month for rent is pretty good
mapontosevenths 11 hours ago||
I have a bad back and bending over hurts. Statistically it will also start to hurt you someday.

Even if we ignore the pain, there is no way to organize food in a chest freezer effectively. To reach items on the bottom one must remove all the food that sits above it. This wastes time and effort that could better be spent on other things. Meaning the opportunity cost is too high, even if it saves me money on electricity.

linsomniac 11 hours ago|
Yeah, we have a french door fridge with a lower drawer freezer, and even with that being split into an upper drawer maybe 8" deep, and a lower one ~12" deep. Everything but the top layer and maybe one layer under that, is where food goes to die. And that setup is vastly better at this all than a 30" deep chest, except that when you pull the drawer out, all the benefits of a chest are lost. So (nearly) the worst of both worlds.
anjel 12 hours ago||
Modern refrigerators are designed for browsing. A chest fridge could save a person a lot of calories over time
fritzo 11 hours ago|
By that logic, best fridge is no fridge at all ;)
bookofjoe 6 hours ago||
Cup Noodles FTW
burnt-resistor 2 hours ago||
More floor space per storage volume is why. Most dwellings in urban and some suburban areas are area constrained for everything, especially appliances, and unable to use chest type freezers my grandparents had to keep loads of venison and catfish in their lake house. It'd also be greatâ„¢ if freezers used Vacuum Insulation Panels (VIPs).
globular-toast 7 hours ago||
Probably completely offset by having a home large enough to have a chest fridge.
brunes 4 hours ago||
The answer to his question is right here.
erelong 11 hours ago||
Just have to make it either easy to buy or easy to mod and emphasize energy savings and lots of people would be interested

Edit: looks like a few chest freezers have a "fridge" setting, which sounds like the easiest way to do this for those interested (maybe)

zeroq 12 hours ago||
It's more about freezers than fridges. Less frequent access and ton more work to get the temps back. I never thought about it but it was such an a-ha moment for me when I recently learned about it that I'm genuinely flabbergasted why it's not more popular.
KPGv2 10 hours ago|
We have two chest freezers for long-term breast milk storage, and the wife ad I have already discussed replacing our conventional freezer/fridge combo for a standalone fridge and only using the chest freezers once the breast milk is all gone. I'm pretty excited about it. Chest freezers are in the nearby mudroom, and it's not like a fridge, where you are grabbing tons of vegetables, dairy, meat, etc. for a single meal.

If you're using the freezer for a meal, you're probably pulling out frozen fish and nothing else, or a microwaveable meal, or something. You are't pulling out carrots, bok choy, pork, milk, cheese, etc. So put it outside the kitchen. A freezer is for storage. A kitchen is for food preparation. Not the same task.

nom 12 hours ago|
No.

Drawers.

femto 11 hours ago||
Makes sense if the drawers completely fill the volume of the fridge, so most of the air is inside the drawers and there is minimal air loss when the door opens. If the drawer fronts were insulated, each drawer would effectively be its own chest.

Edit: On a reread, I'm guessing you were talking about individual refrigerated drawers? Multiple drawers in a single insulated box (as I interpreted it) could work though, as it would have less exterior surface area, use less insulation for the same thermal resistance and useable volume and have a single cooling unit, which might be more efficient. It would also fit existing fridge alcoves.

nlawalker 11 hours ago||
If you designed around it, it would fit where existing kitchens have drawers, and the space typically reserved for a vertical fridge would be occupied by shelving. Kind of a neat idea. Microwave drawers are a thing.
NetMageSCW 8 hours ago|||
They make them already, they just tend to be expensive. Look up Sub-zero.
KPGv2 10 hours ago|||
Under-counter refrigerators are also a thing. They're often not cheap, though. KitchenAid has a two-drawer one for around $3,000. But you can find off-brand ones for $700, too. I don't know if the KitchenAid is that much better. There are things to take into account. It's not just as simple as 'put short, 24" deep fridge where drawers go."
catapart 12 hours ago||
+1

waist level, some below countertops, some above a freezer drawer. humidity settings.

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