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Posted by lode 9 hours ago

US and TotalEnergies reach 'nearly $1B' deal to end offshore wind projects(www.lemonde.fr)
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idontwantthis 2 hours ago|
You leftists think you hate free market capitalism, but no one hates it like Republicans.
standardUser 6 hours ago||
Trump wrecks the global energy economy and his next move is to increase our dependence on it? They don't make enough dimensions for the type of chess this brainiac is playing.
jmclnx 8 hours ago||
Sorry, I do not know how else to say this:

Well hopefully when Trump is gone NY remembers this and tells Pouyanné to screw when they put out bids to restart the project.

throwaway5752 8 hours ago||
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morkalork 7 hours ago||
Kidnapping the leader of a sovereign nation to put them on show trial and plotting to steal the country's natural resources. Blockading and strangling an island country to the point of economic collapse. Opining out loud about annexing their northern neighbours. The list goes on and on..
jeffbee 7 hours ago||
We didn't even get the show trial!
morkalork 7 hours ago||
Save the date! https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/maduros-next-us-court-d...
MaxHoppersGhost 7 hours ago|||
>The US, should it survive this administration

This level of doomerism is absurd. Of course the US will survive this administration. I blame the news for making every breathe by whichever opposition seem like the next WWIII.

specialist 7 hours ago|||
Pax Americana is doomed. What the USA looks like post-hegemony is TBD.
blix 7 hours ago||
The Pax Americana was already over when Russia siezed Crimea.
kakacik 7 hours ago||||
The land will be there. (most of) people will be there. What parent probably meant is losing everything good and positive United States of America represented in past 80+ years, internally and globally.

That is gone my friend, with the wind like a sulfuric fart, for good. US is becoming a global terrorist and enemy #2 of free world and certainly whole Europe (right after its biggest and only 'friend', russia which coincidentally keeps trying to make you a thing of the past). This comes from somebody who strongly believed in your role in global hegemony despite your numerous well documented fuckups in the past. All on the whims of one visibly mentally sick man, with absolutely nobody standing up to him despite nobody really believing in any of that bullshit. No principles, just plain greed and firm fuck-the-rest approach. Right now, if Europe needs a strong big ally it will be #1 China, and then... nothing.

The fact you voted him in, and he still has massive support, and there has been 0 overthrow attempts of the biggest traitor to US in its history tells me and everybody else in the world many things, but nothing positive. Even if next election, if they will happen, will have 98% win of the democracts with that ridiculous unfair and undemocratic system of yours, it won't change a permanent shift that started and keeps happening. US has no real allies, in same vein russia or China has no real allies.

Empires rise and fall, inevitably, there was never a reason to think US would be an exception.

buellerbueller 7 hours ago||||
The US is dead; it is now a Trumpian shithole.
throwaway5752 7 hours ago|||
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jeffbee 7 hours ago||
The United States has already been destroyed. It is no longer in question, or in the future tense.
JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago||
This is comfortable doomerism. But it isn’t accurate. Moreover, it’s dangerous since the numpties who tend to believe it then politically disengage.
jeffbee 7 hours ago||
None of the institutions function, or do the thing that we used to explain to children what they do. The whole thing demonstrably does not exist. You're welcome to describe my view with whatever pejorative you prefer.
JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago||
> do the thing that we used to explain to children what they do. The whole thing demonstrably does not exist

Something misfunctioning doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. A massive economy, industry and war machine are still here. Pretending that doesn’t exist because it doesn’t work the way we like is an expression of exasperation, not a description of reality.

elslopista 6 hours ago||
>A massive economy, industry and war machine are still here

Those things are exactly what destroyed the nation. The military industrial complex and the billionaires who removed the teeth from institutions that used to prevent the accumulation of power (see also: antitrust litigation against Standard Oil). Those entities are now in complete control and democracy is nothing but a sham, a clown show between two faces of the same coin.

The US as a country didn't fail with Trump. It failed when Microsoft got away scot-free. This was the biggest sign that the country was no longer a serious entity, because a serious entity would try to preserve its own power, while the United States of Burgers is something to be sold to the highest bidder.

JumpCrisscross 1 hour ago||
> Those things are exactly what destroyed the nation

You're confusing the destruction of the dream of a nation with the desrtruction of the nation per se. The Roman Republic's fall was the destructionn of a dream. Those who thought they were witnessing the destruction of a nation, on the other hand, were dead wrong.

exabrial 7 hours ago||
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tencentshill 7 hours ago||
This was a known risk for decades on every coastal wind project, and would have been a part of the earliest risk assessments for this project. The people building these projects are generally not as stupid as the administration trying to tear them down.
ImPostingOnHN 7 hours ago|||
IIRC it does not. There has been some discussions by folks around it, but so far no evidence has pointed to it being a primary motivation.

The evidence we do have is that republicans have had a party vendetta against clean energy for decades, and their current leader has had a personal vendetta specifically against wind turbines, also for decades.

etchalon 7 hours ago||
It doesn't.
softwaredoug 6 hours ago||
It’s not as big of a deal as it sounds.

Theses wind farms have not even started construction yet. Once Don Quixote is out of office, some future administration undoubtedly will start wind farm construction.

evan_ 4 hours ago|
I'm actually less concerned about the continued non-existence of a bunch of windmills, vs the billion-dollar payout to ensure that they continue to not exist.

I've spent my entire life not building any windmills and nobody's paid me a billion dollars for it yet.

softwaredoug 3 hours ago||
It’s a refund for buying the lease, not a payout.
angelgonzales 7 hours ago|
This seems like a good thing considering the “TotalEnergies CEO Pouyanné said offshore wind was "not the most affordable way to produce electricity" in the US, which he identified as being natural gas-fired power plants.”

Not sure why we’re building offshore wind plants when land based gas plants provide cheaper energy. We need to be reducing the cost of living for working people and not raising it. Our goal should be to reduce people’s cost of living and we should align our actions towards those goals.

Most people are cost sensitive!

rockooooo 7 hours ago||
the dollar cost he's talking about does not include the large dollar cost the externalities burning gas creates
angelgonzales 7 hours ago||
Does the offshore wind energy costs include externalities of fabricating, assembling, shipping, installing, maintaining and decommissioning the turbines? Does it also include bird losses and whale harms?
triceratops 5 hours ago|||
Does the gas turbine include externalities of fabricating, assembling, shipping installing, maintaining, and decommissioning oil drilling rigs? And of shipping, storing, and burning the gas? And the climate change caused by gas leaks? And the harms to humans, the fishing industry, and bird losses and whale harms by oil spills (I know you really care about those)?
thunfischtoast 6 hours ago||||
The project life cycle cost: yes. The birds and whales: no. But neither do the fossil power plants.
bjourne 6 hours ago|||
Yes.
while_true_ 6 hours ago|||
Wind and solar are consistently the cheapest forms of new energy generation. Pouyanné knows that. He is being a politician here, saying what he knows will play well with the current administration. When in Rome...
danny_codes 1 hour ago|||
I think you forgot to account for the massive emissions. Which we have to pay for eventually. Don’t know if you noticed but the majority of the US had the hottest March on record just now. Like a few days ago. There is an enormous cost to emissions. Probably for each $1 spent on gas power there’s $50 to ameliorate the emissions. Building more gas capacity is perhaps the stupidest economic policy imaginable
IshKebab 7 hours ago||
Uhm, I dunno if you just time travelled here from the 60s but there's this thing called global warming.
angelgonzales 7 hours ago||
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while_true_ 6 hours ago|||
In 2026 utilities will install 86 GW of new generation, of which only 6 GW will be natural gas. The other 80 GW will all be solar, wind and battery storage. Utilities are doing this because of economics. Environment is secondary. Even oil and gas rich Texas has been aggressively adding solar, wind and battery.
heyitsmedotjayb 6 hours ago||||
Coal is not cheap. At least support oil/gas if you're going to push this cost sensitivity schtick
IshKebab 5 hours ago|||
Wind is one of the cheapest sources of electricity available. Even if you are a completely brain-dead climate change denier it makes sense from a financial perspective.
angelgonzales 5 hours ago||
In this specific case the CEO stated that gas is the cheaper choice given their ~$1B they can spend.