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Posted by moonka 1 day ago

FCC updates covered list to include foreign-made consumer routers(www.fcc.gov)
https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-420034A1.pdf

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-adds-routers-produced-forei...

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-26-278A1.pdf

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c74787w149zo

https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/fcc-bans-foreign-made-rou...

https://blog.adafruit.com/2026/03/24/fcc-just-banned-the-imp...

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cute_boi 8 hours ago|
this administration is going nuts day by day. I don't know how people are even tolerating.
wpm 8 hours ago||
I don't know either. Every day we sink further. I'm losing my fucking mind.
nclin_ 8 hours ago|||
This is completely sane and consistent with the incessant lies, and crackdown on free speech across the US-owned internet. The free flow of information is a threat.
solid_fuel 7 hours ago|||
Lotta people just stick their heads in the ground and ignore it, exactly like they did with all the warning signs during trump’s last term.
wat10000 7 hours ago||
Too many people have rebuilt their entire identity around the guy. It's just like people who get scammed and then keep giving money to the scammer even after you tell them what's going on. Admitting that they've been scammed would be a blow to the ego that they can't handle.

Combine that with a general inability to understand or empathize with what's going on outside what they can directly see. How many Trump supporters have we seen who loved him cracking down on illegal immigrants until the crackdown came for someone they cared about, then suddenly it was an outrage (but only an outrage in that specific case)? How many have cheered tariffs until they had to pay a bunch more money for something? How many said "no more wars!" and thought it was great how Trump didn't invade anyone in his first term, and now are saying that attacking Iran is great because they've been an existential threat for half a century? This will be the same way. It'll be, yeah, stick it to those foreign bastards. America First! Then in a few months or years, "The store doesn't have any routers, what the hell?"

toomuchtodo 8 hours ago|||
The people who can leave are leaving, those who cannot remain until potential change is possible.

Bloomberg Editorial Board: The US Must Not Become a Nation of Emigrants - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2026-03-20/immigr... | https://archive.today/a9DbM - March 20th, 2026

> A recent analysis found that US emigration has reached unprecedented levels. Much of this exodus is due to the administration’s deportation efforts, but by no means all. Last year, at least 180,000 American citizens left the Land of Opportunity to find a better life elsewhere.

> During the recession of 2008, a Gallup poll found that about 1 in 10 Americans wanted to permanently leave the country. That figure is now 1 in 5. Among women ages 15 to 44, it’s a whopping 40%. Some of that sentiment is tied to politics, of course, but the emigration trend predates the current administration.

kdheiwns 7 hours ago|||
I'm one who left before term one because I anticipated bad things happening. Term 2 is far worse than even my worst expectations. So far I have 2 good friends who left, and a few others got remote jobs and are currently working towards leaving. There's a whole world out there and a lot of it is great. I recommend trying a year outside to everyone I know, and I'm confident most people will be happy (excluding those who like seeing their extended families on a weekly basis, which many people do)
russdill 8 hours ago|||
I take the Michael Bolton attitude, why should I leave, he's the one that sucks. There are elections coming up.
Shalomboy 7 hours ago||
are there though?
toomuchtodo 7 hours ago||
They are until they aren’t.
wrs 8 hours ago|||
“Day by day?” “Tolerating?”
petcat 8 hours ago||
It has nothing to do with the current administration. The Secure Equipment Act was passed in 2021 and signed into law by Joe Biden.

> This law requires the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to issue rules stating that it will no longer review or approve any authorization application for equipment that poses an unacceptable risk to national security.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Equipment_Act

huslage 8 hours ago|||
That act does not require the FCC to issue any blanket ruling like this. And the "unaccceptable risk" provision is legally dubious at best.
mattkrause 7 hours ago||||
That's not entirely true.

The Secure Equipment Act itself was passed in 2021, but the law itself doesn't proscribe any particular equipment or manufacturers. Instead, tells the FCC to create a list and delegates listing duties to various parts of the executive branch (national security agencies, Commerce, the Federal Acquisition Security Council). That's what changed yesterday and it was in fact done by the current administration.

mikeyouse 8 hours ago||||
The Biden administration declared ZTE, Huawei and a few other small Chinese companies as supply chain risks and prohibited importing their hardware --- the Trump administration just declared every single router made overseas as a risk. If you can't tell the difference between those two things...

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DOC-420034A1.pdf

graemep 7 hours ago||||
That says "telecommunications equipment" and it sounds like its talking about network equipment. The page you link to does not mention any developments since 2022 so what has changed this month?
wrs 8 hours ago|||
There is quite a stretch from “unacceptable risk to national security” to “absolutely any foreign-made equipment”. And that stretch has everything to do with the current administration.
fred_is_fred 8 hours ago||
Am I reading this correctly? Existing routers in houses can only get firmware updates until the end of March 2027 then they need some kind of approval? How is that more secure?
raphman 1 day ago||
Does the router ban really only pertain to consumer-grade networking devices?

> For the purpose of this determination, the term “Routers” is defined by National Institute of Science and Technology’s Internal Report 8425A to include consumer-grade networking devices that are primarily intended for residential use and can be installed by the customer. Routers forward data packets, most commonly Internet Protocol (IP) packets, between networked systems. ¹

> A “consumer-grade router” is a router intended for residential use and can be installed by the customer. Routers forward data packets, most commonly Internet Protocol (IP) packets, between networked systems. Throughout this document, the term “router” is used as a shorthand for “consumer-grade router.” ²

There doesn't seem to be a general ban for foreign-made professional routers, just for some Chinese manufacturers, right³?

Oh, and what does "produced by foreign countries" even mean? I couldn't find any definition. Is this meant to be the country of final assembly? Would importing a Chinese router and the flashing the firmware in the USA be sufficient to be exempt? Where is the line drawn usually?

¹) https://www.fcc.gov/sites/default/files/NSD-Routers0326.pdf

²) https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/ir/2024/NIST.IR.8425A.pdf

³) https://www.fcc.gov/supplychain/coveredlist

i_love_retros 1 day ago||
Given everything else going on in America right now I'm not sure I'd trust an American made router more than any other.

Is this just another mass surveillance operation?

jauntywundrkind 22 hours ago||
If I were a nation worried about the health and security of routers, I'd be making sure that open source has a place.

But largely thanks to FCC demands, the list of router hardware that can run open source operating systems such as OpenWRT has dwindled to a trickle. There's very precious few wifi 7 / BE systems available, and only a few wifi 6! it's ghastly. https://toh.openwrt.org/?features=wifi_be https://toh.openwrt.org/?features=wifi_ax

To me, this is a deeply dangerous situation for the state & for the population, where it is nearly impossible for consumers and businesses to purchase gear that they can secure. Where we are at the mercy of what is on the market, and no actual securing of our own can occur.

The FCC claimed in 2015 they were not trying to forbid open source systems, but the additional compliance demands they have made unsupportable unsecurable devices the default state: the FCC mandated companies make sure the users dont have freedom, make sure the wifi performance is locked down, and the most obvious path to that end is to just lock out the user entirely. Open source isn't outlawed, but the FCC turned a good working amazing open source movement into something that is incredibly rare and hard to do. The FCC assurances (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/free-router-software-n...) have not proven true (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11122966): everything has gotten worse for security & availability (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11122966).

metalman 12 hours ago||
will this be like "product of USA" potatoes?, where a canadian truck full of bags of potatoes backs up to a special border facility, and the bagged potatoes are put on a conveyor, dumped out, conveyed........, and then rebagged,thereby becoming american product!
FEELmyAGI 1 hour ago|
Live in USA and never heard of that nor USA ban foreign potatoes............?
sam345 1 day ago||
If you actually read the notice, it exempts models that have been approved. So this just seems to require approvals by DOH or DHS ,": Routers^ produced in a foreign country, except routers which have been granted a Conditional Approval by DoW or DHS." I take this to mean it is just adding security approvals for this type of thing to DOw and DHS. It is not a ban of all future models. It's just saying explicitly that instead of having to review models already in the market and determine that they should be removed because of nation state or other security concerns they are reviewing them before they go to market. Would be nice if people actually read it instead of hyperventilating.
danso 1 day ago|
Why shouldn’t people have a reaction to a policy that mandates a new approval process on a large class of consumer products?
sam345 1 day ago|||
It's fine to have a reaction. It just rhat a lot of the comments totally ignored this this caveat. So basically, as I read it by default, they're banned unless approved, which is pretty much what all regulation does anyway, isn't it.
adrian_b 16 hours ago||
During the last years USA has banned a lot of things by default, but in all cases there were exemptions for things receiving specific approvals.

However, the approvals appear to have not been based on any objective methodology, but sometimes nothing has been approved, while otherwise there may have been some approvals but their randomness was suspicious.

Now this new interdiction continues the trend, so it is normal for people to be wary that any approvals will be based on some kind of bribing and not on any serious security audit.

wtallis 1 day ago||||
Especially since the announcement provides no information about how the DoD or DHS will be evaluating what to approve, and it's unlikely that they have the resources to do any meaningful security evaluation on that many products.
sam345 1 day ago||
The DOH and DOW have a lot of resources. And I would guess the DOW has a lot of intelligence resources and most likely the DOH also I mean it is their job to keep the homeland safe. But I would agree. It probably will involve a lot of marshaling of those resources and reorganization. But who's to say they haven't done that already. My general point is that the conversation in this thread completely ignores that this is an imposition of a different regulatory scheme, not a banning. And actually it's in favor of enforcing more security on routers which everybody has been screaming for for years.
anthk 8 hours ago||
Every Unix and 9front OS can be a router with two interfaces.

> Firmware updates for existing covered devices are allowed, but only through March 1, 2027.

Good luck enforcing that with libre firmware without being sued with some amendment until oblivion and the FCC -the irony- gets sued like crazy.

theginger 7 hours ago|
You probably don't even need 2 interfaces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Router_on_a_stick
boxingdog 7 hours ago||
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