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Posted by jakelsaunders94 6 hours ago

Is anybody else bored of talking about AI?(blog.jakesaunders.dev)
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tapoxi 6 hours ago|
It's a black box that thinks for me, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad, sometimes it times out.

I am extremely skeptical of AI products anyone builds. It's just using one black box to build scaffolding around another black box and then typically want to charge money for it. I don't see any value there.

d675 5 hours ago|
depends on if they're selling you an AI wrapper or if they built something useful.

Also, depends on who target user is.

AI can be used to build deterministic software

Garlef 6 hours ago||
“Everything has already been said, but not yet by everyone.” — Karl Valentin

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Personally, I'm still very interested in the topic.

But since the tech is moving very fast, the discussion is just very very unevenly distributed: There's lots of interesting things to say. But a lot of takes that were relevant 6 months ago are still being digested by most.

sodapopcan 6 hours ago||
> “Everything has already been said, but not yet by everyone.” — Karl Valentin

Never heard this and I like it very much. This is just an off-topic comment to say thanks!

jakelsaunders94 5 hours ago||
This is a great saying, thank you for sharing it. Out of curiosity, do you have any links to intersting AI articles you've read recently? Maybe I'll change my mind.
Garlef 5 hours ago||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWzLPn164w0

I don't like the hype language applied by the channel host one bit - and so this is not something where I expect someone tired of the hype to be swayed - but I think his perspective is sometimes interesting (if you filter through the BS): He seems to get that the real challenge is not LLM quality but organisational integration: Tooling, harnesses, data access, etc, etc. And so in this department there's sometimes good input.

jakelsaunders94 4 hours ago||
Thank you for the rec and review, I’ll take a look!
agentictrustkit 1 hour ago||
Initially I rally had a bad taste in my mouth. It had forced me to close a business (video editing). Recently its gone a different direction so I would say the "interest" part got a resurgence for me. I'm seeing all of theses tools, people, and systems promise "can do this..." and "can do that..." but because I have a background in trust law and trust creation I've looked at things differently.

I think the "can do" part gets boring but now I'm paralleling this to trust relationships and fiduciary responsiblities. What I mean is that we can not only instruct but then put a framework around an agent much like we do a trustee where they are compelled to act in the best interests of the beneficiaries (the human that created them in this case).

Anyway it's got me thinking in a different way.

remich 1 hour ago|
Fiduciary duty but for AI, interesting. I think there's some potential there, though of course you'll end up confronting the classic sci-fi trope of "what if the system judges what's best for the user in a way that is unexpected / harmful"? But, solve that with strong guardrails and/or scoping and you might have something.
MrLeap 6 hours ago||
I'm old enough to remember being fatigued with so many people talking about making "apps". Programs that run on a phone. Before that everyone was excited about blogging. Web 2.0 ugh.

Before that we were excited about the wheel and the creation of fire. All capital drained into those ephemeral fancies.

The cycles cycle on.

matsemann 5 hours ago||
Yeah. I don't mind AI, but I'm waiting for it to stabilize and a good work flow being replicable for non-toy problems that should survive and evolve for a long time. I don't think I lose out much by not having 10 agents doing my work for me right now. In 6 months or some years or whatever I can just learn the new way of doing it. It's just exhausting with how much it changes month to month. Do I use it? Yes. Probably suboptimally. I'll learn later, though.

Like the new frontend frameworks coming every week after 2010 sometime. Not jumping on every single one, and waiting until react was declared the winner and learn that worked well. Sure, someone that used it from day 1 had more experience, but one quickly catch up.

delecti 4 hours ago|||
Yep, the hype will die, and some of the substance will remain. I mean, we're currently commenting on Web2.0 about a blog post. Both stopped being the next big thing, and are now just some things we use. Relevant anecdote: I most recently worked on the apps (ding) for a car company (double-ding, fire and wheels).
mhitza 6 hours ago|||
Big Data, The Cloud, Quantum Computing, Web 3.0, and maybe a few I've forgotten about.

Only thing that stuck thus far is the cloud. Though not for infinite scalability and resiliency, cause that just dumps big invoices in your lap.

solenoid0937 5 hours ago||
Big Data absolutely became a thing

The Cloud happened as well, as you've pointed out

AI adoption is well past Quantum and Web 3. Comparing it to those two is nonsensical.

mhitza 5 hours ago||
It only is nonsensical if you create your own comparison dimension ("adoption") to construct your argument, to call what I said, nonsensical!

All those listed and more, are part of the cycles that the parent comment mentioned and which I've continued.

Same thing with Agile. Mostly sprint-based waterfall, iterative development is not something I've ever seen in practice. Or people over processes, remember those ideas?

BigData, was another hype cycle where even smaller companies wanted a "piece of the action". I've worked at the time in a sub 50 developers company, and the higher ups where all about big data. When in fact our system was struggling with GBs of data due to frugality in hardware.

For a moment in time you couldn't spit in any direction without hiting a Domain Driven Design talk. And now we disable safeguards and LLMs write a mix of garbled ideas from across all the laundered open source training data.

Too early to tell where AI will land, and if it will bring down the economy with it, but spending rate doesn't deliver equal results for all, and we will have to see after the dust settles.

throw4847285 4 hours ago||
This is so whiggish that it made my whig fly off my head when I read it. I spend a lot of time on HN, so I'm gonna need to secure my whig somehow, because this happens a lot.
magic_hamster 1 hour ago||
I see AI as a new, unreliable resource that I can try and tame with good software practices. It's an incredibly fun challenge and there's a lot to learn.
mememememememo 6 hours ago||
Yes. Go to Mastodon. I accidently stumbled on Mastodon last night (I knew about it of course but largely ignored it). Of the 100 or so posts they were all cool stuff. Only one was AI related and it was more a researchy geeky thing than the brainrot "I fired all my staff an hour ago. They were not happy. CRLF. CRLF. I have an agentic circus and I am the ringmaster of 666 agents. CRLF....." crap you get on Linked in.
augusto-moura 6 hours ago||
I think you meant Mastodon[1]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(social_network)

mememememememo 6 hours ago||
Thanks. Edited. I have a mental block for some reason spelling it!
jakelsaunders94 5 hours ago||
I've been meaning to try Mastodon for a long time (I was never really a Twiiter user). As others have said elsewhere though, I'm not sure where to start. Did you just download the app and join mastodon.social?
mememememememo 5 hours ago||
I did much less. Just went to mastodon.social in my browser and read what is there. I think you can create an account from there. You can also choose another instance to read and create the account from.
s_u_d_o 5 hours ago||
Gosh how i miss the old HN Days… where one would actually code, read docs, and develop stuff and feel happy about it. Not write a prompt and watch a chatbox do all the work in a matter of seconds. It’s like we’re losing the meaning of building something… dk how to explain it more. But yeah, it’s tech! Nothing stays the same
amelius 3 hours ago|
The old HN was full of people feeling smug about their intellectual capabilities.

The new HN is full of people filled with anxiety about being replaced by an advanced calculator.

To an outsider, it could almost be funny if it wasn't so sad.

cesarvarela 1 hour ago||
As someone who has been in tech for 20+ years, I can say this is the most exciting it has ever been.

I've been spamming some auto research loops, and it is so addictive. Think about how many of humanity's problems will be solved because of this. Of course, it will also disappoint, like, we are still waiting for flying cars, but man, this is a unique moment in history.

overgard 6 hours ago||
I'm like 99% convinced that most of the AI conversation upvotes at this point is astroturfing. I just don't see the correlation with the sentiment I get from talking to people in the real world (mostly negative AI sentiment) vs what I see here
pesus 4 hours ago||
I'm convinced that the majority of people hyping up AI don't actually interact with many people in real life, let alone people that aren't software engineers.
solenoid0937 4 hours ago||
To those of us on the cutting edge, the opinion of the average person when it comes to these things is totally irrelevant. I see the benefit and possibilities with my own eyes, I don't need the confirmation or denial of the average person.

All that said, I've already set up a few of my non tech close friends with Cowork and they are huge fans of it now. It's somewhat shocking how much menial repetitive work the average white collar job entails.

stemlord 27 minutes ago||
The average person dislikes AI not because it isn't useful. Anyway, we're more or less all on the cutting edge together
solenoid0937 5 hours ago|||
I think some companies are just behind the curve, so this sentiment seems bizarre to some.

At my big tech, AI is every conversation with everyone, every day. Becoming AI native is a huge deal for us. Literally everyone is making AI usage a core part of their job and it's been a big productivity accelerator.

Perhaps it's different where you work, so you don't see the sentiment.

ab71e5 1 hour ago||
> AI is every conversation with everyone

Wow that sounds horrible.

zeroonetwothree 1 hour ago||
Yes it is.
trigvi 5 hours ago|||
Not necessarily. Personally, I'm both in love with AI (likely to upvote a convo) and scared about the short/medium term societal changes its job displacement will bring.
SyneRyder 5 hours ago|||
Honestly, I think there's a big divide, and those of us who are using AI intensively might just be increasingly "going dark" & distancing ourselves from those "real world" people. It's becoming detrimental being around people who are so actively negative about AI. It feels like being around people who still insist the sun orbits the earth. Those people are actually happier believing what they believe, so why spend any more time trying to convince them they're wrong?

I spent 2024 on Mastodon and I absorbed their groupthink that AI was useless... I wish I could get that year of my life back. I wish I had that extra year headstart on AI compared to where I am now. So much of my coding frustrations that year that might have been solved from using AI. I am reluctantly back on X - I hate what has been done to Twitter, but that's where so much of the useful information on using AI is being shared.

Well, back to it. Claude has been building another local MCP server tool for me in the background.

solenoid0937 4 hours ago||
> It feels like being around people who still insist the sun orbits the earth.

100% feeling this divide as well.

People that deny the benefit of AI in 2026... I can't even engage with them anymore. I just move on with my life. These people are simply not living in reality, it will catch up to them eventually (unfortunately.)

miltonlost 5 hours ago||
There's definitely some people working overtime to overhype AI on here. like 50% of the comments on this are from simianwords who only posts when people say negative AI sentiments.
jimmyjazz14 6 hours ago|
I think the advancements around models and such are still somewhat interesting but its all the hype around peripheral things like OpenClaw, agentic workflows and other hyped up AI-adjacent news that are getting pretty old.
Aerroon 6 hours ago|
I think the workflows can be really interesting to read about. The other week I read a reddit post how someone got Qwen3.5 35B-A3B to go from 22.2% on the 45 hard problems of swebench-verified to 37.8% (opus 4.6 gets 40%).

All they essentially did was tell the LLM to test and verify whether the answer is correct with a prompt like the following:

>"You just edited X. Before moving on, verify the change is correct: write a short inline python -c or a /tmp test script that exercises the changed code path, run it with bash, and confirm the output is as expected."

Now whether this is true, I don't know, but I think talking about this kind of stuff is cool!

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