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Posted by zdw 6 hours ago

Apple randomly closes bug reports unless you "verify" the bug remains unfixed(lapcatsoftware.com)
239 points | 128 commentspage 2
spike021 4 hours ago|
At work I literally just spent a half hour meeting with colleagues doing backlog management to clear out old bugs that were random one-offs and never came up again.

Pretty standard process.

LorenPechtel 3 hours ago||
Observation: Long, long ago I submitted a bug to Microsoft. I was new at the time and didn't distill it down to the minimum, just gave a scenario that would 100% reproduce. I was contacted months later because someone looked at it and couldn't reproduce.

Yeah, I had found one manifestation of something else that they fixed by the time someone looked at it. The fix in the notes didn't look anything like my bug, only by observing that it now worked I was able to figure out that I had been the blind man trying to describe an elephant.

Ensorceled 4 hours ago||
I love that when I search for an odd behaviour or bug in macos or iOS, most of the time I will find a years old bug report with some irrelevant or useless "work around".

This is not too unusual. I've completely given up on bug reports, it's almost always a complete waste of my time.

I'm currently going around in circles with a serious performance issue with two different vendors. They want logs, process lists and now real time data. It's an issue multiple people have complained about in their forums and on reddit. The fact that this exact same thing is going on with TWO different companies ...

yuters 5 hours ago||
I've submitted a couple of issues for their [javascript library for Live Photos](https://developer.apple.com/documentation/LivePhotosKitJS).

One being that the most recent version is on their cdn but not their [npm package](https://www.npmjs.com/package/livephotoskit?activeTab=readme) which was never updated for 7 years. You know what they did with this issue? They've marked it as "Unable to diagnose".

Also I've mentioned something about their documentation not being up to date for a function definition. This issue has remained open for 4 years now.

hector_vasquez 5 hours ago||
Former Apple employee here. This is a deeper quirk of Apple culture than one would guess.

Each and every Radar (Apple's internal issue tracker is called Radar, and each issue is called a Radar) follows a state machine, going from the untriaged state to the done state. One hard-coded state in this is Verify. Each and every bug, once Fixed, cannot move to Closed without passing through the Verify state. It seems like a cool idea on the surface. It means that Apple assumes and demands that everything must be verified as fixed (or feature complete) by someone. Quite the corporate value to hold the line on, and it goes back decades.

I seriously hated the Verify state. It caused many pathologies. Imagine trying to run a burndown of your sprint when zero of the Radars are closed, because they have to be verified in production before being closed, meaning you cannot verify until after the release. Another pathology is that lots (thousands and thousands) of Radars end up stranded in Verify. Many, many engineers finish their fix, check it in, it gets released and then they move on. This led to a pathology that the writer of this post got caught up in: There is lots of "org health" reporting that goes out showing how many Radars are unverified and how long your Radars stay in the unverified state on average. A lot of teams simply close Radars that remain unverified for some amount of time because they are being "graded" on this.

jldugger 4 hours ago||
> Imagine trying to run a burndown of your sprint when zero of the Radars are closed, because they have to be verified in production before being closed, meaning you cannot verify until after the release.

I think most teams use verify as a "closed" state to hide all that messiness. But sure, zero bugs is a project management fiction and produces perverse outcomes.

zer00eyz 5 hours ago|||
Interesting insight to what should be a good internal process if users followed up.

In this case the bug wasn't fixed.

> A lot of teams simply close Radars that remain unverified for some amount of time because they are being "graded" on this.

The simple solution here: you should also be graded on closing bugs that get re-opened.

lapcat 5 hours ago||
I think you're incorrectly assuming two things:

1. Apple engineers actually attempted to fix the bug.

2. Feedback Assistant "Please verify with the latest beta" matches the Radar "Verify" state.

I don't believe either of those are true.

s_u_d_o 5 hours ago||
How can a user “verify” that the bug remains unfixed? So when a user reports a report, the user should check if the bug was solved after each update?
stefan_ 5 hours ago||
My favorite is the Claude Code bugtracker, on GitHub of course: https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues

There is some bot that will match your issue to some other 3 vaguely related issue, then auto close in 3 days. The other vaguely related issues are auto closed for inactivity. Nothing is ever fixed, which is why they can't keep the thing from messing with your scroll position for years now.

silverwind 5 hours ago||
They are also closing issues automatically that has no "activity" in 30 days, so you have to spam those issues.
prymitive 5 hours ago||
Sounds like a job for an agentic tool that can produce human like sentences on interval …
orthoxerox 3 hours ago|||
> that will match your issue to some other 3 vaguely related issue, then auto close

Well, it was trained on StackOverflow.

ted537 3 hours ago|||
Yep I've never successfully installed claude code, and this is exactly what happened to the issue lol
kvirani 5 hours ago|||
Oh so it jumping to the top happens to others too?
gjvc 5 hours ago||
this scroll position thing is mentally damaging
jas- 4 hours ago||
The sheer volume of bug reports negates the perceived importance
kibwen 5 hours ago||
Stop wasting your life chomping at the bit to do unpaid labor for the sole benefit of megacorps.
arbirk 4 hours ago|
The radar count is probably nearing a billion at this point
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