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Posted by MrBruh 5 hours ago

The EU still wants to scan your private messages and photos(fightchatcontrol.eu)
589 points | 179 commentspage 2
smeggysmeg 2 hours ago|
It can fail 100 times and it won't count, and the one time this surveillance legislation passes it will become law. Thanks EU, nice show of democracy.
foweltschmerz 5 hours ago||
This is the same EU that blocks and hinders innovation in the name of privacy?
flexagoon 35 minutes ago||
Which law are you talking about? Genuine question, because I know about EU laws that are "in the name of privacy" and about those that (arguably) "hinder innovation", but I don't know which one fits both
askonomm 3 hours ago|||
You are aware that EU is not a single country, right? I know American education is third-world levels these days, so unfortunately I have to ask this.
nozzlegear 7 minutes ago|||
You are aware that the US has 50 different states + DC who all affect those education rankings, right? The average education level of someone from Massachusetts is going to be much higher than someone from Alabama, in the same way that the average education level of someone from Estonia of all places is going to be higher than Cyprus.
u8080 2 hours ago|||
4 Member States Opposing

23 Member States Supporting

0 Member States Undecided

layer8 4 hours ago|||
The EU isn’t a single mind. There are a multitude of factions trying to get through all kinds of things.
JodieBenitez 5 hours ago||
"for sure"
MrBruh 5 hours ago||
You can directly call your representatives by looking them up here:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/portal/en

Smar 5 hours ago||
So EU syill wants to harm children.
xeonmc 5 hours ago|
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Vinnl 3 hours ago||
Just a heads up that this is being posted late in the European evening here, so that will affect who's commenting.
gib444 3 hours ago||
Posted 9:30-11:30pm. Plenty of us awake

It won't all be non-Europeans if that's what you're implying

mastermedo 4 hours ago||
What does this mean for a non-eu citizen communicating with an eu citizen? Is it as simple as using signal/matrix instead of whatsapp/messenger?
dgxyz 5 hours ago||
The trick here is to make it impossible to do so.

Don’t put your shit in the cloud and use proper E2E secure messaging.

For me the entire idea of the cloud is dead due to exposure like this.

vaylian 4 hours ago||
People on HN but also criminals will know how circumvent this. But the average person will be completely lost in this surveillance apparatus. It's going to affect the wrong people.
dgxyz 4 hours ago|||
I’ve been eternally surprised at how non technical people work around problems. I mean I have a totally technology illiterate family member who worked out how to torrent films and watch them and install ublock and Firefox.
Muromec 1 hour ago|||
>People on HN but also criminals will know how circumvent this.

Criminals in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Trojan_Shield

cubefox 5 hours ago|||
It's client side scanning.
dgxyz 4 hours ago||
You can refuse to use software that does it.
Zufriedenheit 4 hours ago|||
If they force their spyware into Android/iOS you are running out of options.
drnick1 3 hours ago|||
Then guess what, criminals will use Linux phones running semi-custom apps for their encrypted business while honest citizens will be spied on.
dgxyz 4 hours ago||||
Pixel and GrapheneOS or something. Already considering it.
NexRebular 4 hours ago|||
Gotta get back in time. The Symbian S60/S80 platform will rise again!
nunobrito 4 hours ago|||
Like others said: this is implemented on operating system level, locally.

There isn't much escape other than using messengers which encrypt the data locally. Geogram radio is doing this.

dgxyz 4 hours ago||
I’d rather use an older or open source OS without it
lostmsu 4 hours ago||
That's one of the tricks. The other trick is to vote in universal right for encrypted communication once and for all.
tekne 3 hours ago|||
Encryption is mathematics -- making this an issue of freedom not only of speech, but of thought.
dgxyz 4 hours ago|||
That’s the best answer. But you’re up against paid up lobbyists.
mnewme 5 hours ago||
Fun fact: the parties that want this are actually those who criticise the EU the most
amarant 4 hours ago||
Yes well, they're running out of good arguments to show how bad the EU is, so they have to force some bad decisions through so that they may have something to cry about.

God I love politics

cbeach 2 hours ago||
Not true. In the UK, the only party that would repeal the heinous “Online Safety Act” are Reform UK, which is headed by notorious Euroskeptic MP Nigel Farage.
Muromec 1 hour ago||
"would"
baal80spam 5 hours ago||
But of course it's back.
dokyun 5 hours ago|
So much for "digital soverignty".
Muromec 1 hour ago||
Being able to make this policy choice in either direction is in fact an example of digital sovereignty. We just don't like what the sovereign has decided this time.
nunobrito 4 hours ago||
They aid the truth because the complete slogan was about EU's digital sovereignity. Not really your sovereignity nor mine.
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