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Posted by speckx 3 hours ago

Voyager 1 runs on 69 KB of memory and an 8-track tape recorder(techfixated.com)
213 points | 90 comments
pkorzeniewski 1 hour ago|
Voyager 1 & 2 is one of my favourite human science achievements, not even so much from technology standpoint, as it's relatively simple compared to what we have now (although that's one of the charms), but just the fact that it's so far away, it still more or less works long after the scheduled mission end time, we can communicate with it and despite all the modern technology progress, it would take decades to catch up. Absolutely amazing and inspiring!
zitterbewegung 44 minutes ago||
A large amount of Voyager 1 & 2 's success isn't just technological it is the ability to take advantage of a specific planetary alignment for a gravity assist [1] that can only occur every 175 years [2] .

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_assist [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1#/media/File:Voyager_...

andai 51 minutes ago|||
>despite all the modern technology progress, it would take decades to catch up.

Could you elaborate on this?

wongarsu 40 minutes ago|||
Take decades to catch up to the location of either voyager probe. The probes have be traveling for a long time. They have also taken advantage of a rare planetary alignment that allowed them to visit a lot of planets and get gravity assists from them (converting a tiny portion of the planet's angular momentum into orbital speed for the spacecraft)
cedilla 46 minutes ago||||
Voyager 1 and 2 are 25 and 21 billion kilometres away, respectively.

Even if we built a rocket just designed to get stuff as far away as quickly away as possible, it would take decades to catch up to where they are now.

Narishma 27 minutes ago||
Could we even catch up to them at all with the current propulsion technology? Not only did they have decades of head start but they took advantage of a unique planetary alignment that I don't think will come back around anytime soon.
gautamcgoel 48 minutes ago||||
I assume OP means that a probe launched today would take decades to exit the solar system.
trvz 42 minutes ago||
They are dangerous and reckless. They were also done in the name of humanity, but without humanity’s consent.

I despise the naive scientists who did them as much as those who brought the damocletian sword of nuclear weapons on us.

fanatic2pope 23 minutes ago|||
Earth's "radio bubble" is well over 100 light years across now. If there are aliens out there, they are probably already on their way to ask us in person why Ross, the largest Friend, doesn't simply eat the others.
krapp 17 minutes ago||
Radio signals do weaken and dissipate over time and space. Broadcast signals could fade into the cosmic microwave background in a few light years depending on their strength. The sci-fi trope of aliens picking up Earth tv and radio just isn't plausible.
wongarsu 36 minutes ago||||
I assume you are against them due to the silent forest hypothesis? Better not announce ourselves, because anything out there might not be friendly to us?
whattheheckheck 25 minutes ago||
The vast space of everything seems to me that any intelligent life eventually discovers physics to get out of this dimension. Dune space feudalism is unlikely
thegrim33 23 minutes ago||||
I'm firmly against METI, but the Voyagers aren't evenly remotely METI / risky.
srean 36 minutes ago|||
Elaborate please.
saadn92 3 hours ago||
The thruster fix is the part that gets me. They sent a command that would either revive thrusters dead since 2004 or cause a catastrophic explosion, then waited 46 hours for the round trip with zero ability to intervene. That's a production deployment with no rollback, no monitoring dashboard, and a 23-hour latency on your logs. They nailed it.
hnthrowaway0315 2 hours ago|
I'd argue that once you have a very well defined requirement doc that mostly kicks humans out of the picture, as well as a patient boss who doesn't want anything ASAP or "Tomorrow morning first thing", engineering is not that hard, and is almost...enjoyment.
KellyCriterion 44 minutes ago|||
> ASAP or "Tomorrow morning first thing"

like in "fast pacing environments" with "flat hierarchies" and "agile mindset"? :-D

armanj 1 hour ago||||
A well defined doc evolves over time. it gets sharper with real-world scenarios, incidents, and experiments. Before Voyager 1, we didn’t have that kind of experience. You can’t predict everything upfront.

> Theory only takes you so far

trgn 1 hour ago||||
Would sending voyager have been a real definite deadline?
wongarsu 47 minutes ago|||
Visiting this many planets was only possible due to a very rare alignment. It's a once a century event. That's why we sent two probes, not just one
reaperducer 1 hour ago|||
Absolutely. You could wait decades or centuries for a useful planetary alignment.
y1n0 1 hour ago|||
I’d argue that you must not be working on interesting problems if you think that “engineering is not that hard”
SpaceNoodled 1 hour ago||
I think their point is that the challenge becomes more enjoyable than tedious.
bazzert 2 hours ago||
There is a terrific documentary, 'Its quieter in the twilight', about the aging and dwindling team that still runs both Voyager missions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6L9Du_IFmI
pramsey 1 hour ago||
Such a wonderful meditation on career and meaning and fellowship and purpose. I loved it.
pan69 1 hour ago||
> Video unavailable > The uploader has not made this video available in your country

I'd love to watch this but unfortunately. My country being AU.

joshvm 41 minutes ago|||
https://www.itsquieterfilm.com/trailer is the official site.
UltraMagnus 43 minutes ago||||
This YouTube video is just a trailer for the documentary, it does look amazing. It looks like the entire documentary is available on some free streaming sites, here's one: https://play.xumo.com/free-movies/it-s-quieter-in-the-twilig...

If that doesn't work, try using a VPN set to the US as country.

chistev 51 minutes ago|||
Why do some uploaders make it unavailable in certain countries?
spike021 27 minutes ago||
licensing probably
manytimesaway 3 hours ago||
Very depressing to see this next to the "LinkedIn uses 2.4GB of RAM" post.
divbzero 2 hours ago||
Any website that uses more memory than Voyager 1 should be considered bloated.
amiga-workbench 2 hours ago|||
There's almost certainly less than 69KB of useful human-readable information on any given page.
tombert 1 hour ago|||
I was actually a bit curious how much HN uses, since it's probably the lightest site that I frequent.

According to Brave's dev tools, looks like just shy of about 90kb on this comment page as of the time of this writing.

Obviously some of that is going to be CSS rules, a small amount of JS (I think for the upvotes and the comment-collapse), but I don't think anyone here called HN "bloated". Even that one page wouldn't fit on Voyager.

rkagerer 1 hour ago|||
There is more information in a typical, single page of comments here than there is on the average webpage. And I'd say a far higher signal to noise ratio (though depending on the topic discussed some will disagree).
reaperducer 1 hour ago|||
I was actually a bit curious how much HN uses, since it's probably the lightest site that I frequent.

I use an iPhone 5 as an iPod. HN is one of the few web sites that still works with iOS 10.

jprd 1 hour ago||
Nice. Do you just use your 5 as a stationary iPod, or do you dual-carry with a modern device as well? Curious on if you also use it to wi-fi the web on your local LAN periodically too, of it that was just a periodic test to check if HN worked.
reaperducer 36 minutes ago||
I use it around the house to Airplay music to various devices.

A number of things don't work, or work in unexpected ways, mostly because Apple doesn't allow me to log in to iCloud with such an old phone.

I can't control lights with the Home app. But Airplay works fine. The phone doesn't know what a HomePod is, but it shows up with a regular generic speaker icon, like the AirMac I have hooked up to my stereo.

Sometimes I have a few minutes to kill, and I pick it up to look at HN. The New York Times web site starts to work, but the login page doesn't load at all. WSJ blocks me at a "verifying the device" screen. WaPo half works. eBay works some, but no pictures. Ditto for Wikipedia.

There's a lot of things you take for granted on a new phone that you only realize when you're using an old phone. Like you didn't used to be able to quickly scroll an entire web page it's only a screen at a time in iOS 10. You can't grab the scroll bar on the side and move it, either.

And 99.9999% of people don't realize the genius of the camera island. It makes it so much easier to pick up the phone if one end is elevated a bit. With a completely flat phone, you end up dragging/scraping it along the table in order to grip it, which scuffs the surface. And if the table is really smooth, it's surprisingly difficult to lift the phone straight up.

greenavocado 1 hour ago|||
640K is all anybody actually needs

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18120477

varjag 2 hours ago|||
Any development team larger than Apollo programming team of 350 is overstaffed.
reaperducer 1 hour ago|||
Any development team larger than Apollo programming team of 350 is overstaffed

We put a man on the moon mostly with pencils and slide rules.

Today we have massive data centers full of "AI" supercomputers, and we get… TikTok?

jagged-chisel 3 hours ago||
Takes a lot of resources to track your users rather than just cruising through space
kermatt 42 minutes ago|||
Voyager only needs to track itself. Plus, no ads.
echelon 2 hours ago||||
It takes a lot to deliver value at velocity with a team of engineers that couldn't give a damn about the product and just want to get a paycheck, move up the ladder, etc.

LinkedIn is not a fun problem.

The UI, the design, the dark patterns - all of it sucks.

It's a job. Nobody particularly wants to be there. There's nothing sacred about the product. Engineers don't worship it.

It isn't a place you'd take a pay cut for the opportunity to work there.

Hence the bloat.

flykespice 2 hours ago|||
""just""
dn3500 2 hours ago||
Here's a photo of the tape recorder:

https://science.nasa.gov/image-detail/voyager-digital-record...

kmaitreys 2 hours ago||
Reminded me of the anecdote mentioned in the classic "Real Programmer Don't Use Pascal"

> Some of the most awesome Real Programmers of all work at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. Many of them know the entire operating system of the Pioneer and Voyager spacecraft by heart. With a combination of large ground-based FORTRAN programs and small spacecraft-based assembly language programs, they are able to do incredible feats of navigation and improvisation -- hitting ten-kilometer wide windows at Saturn after six years in space, repairing or bypassing damaged sensor platforms, radios, and batteries. Allegedly, one Real Programmer managed to tuck a pattern-matching program into a few hundred bytes of unused memory in a Voyager spacecraft that searched for, located, and photographed a new moon of Jupiter.

> The current plan for the Galileo spacecraft is to use a gravity assist trajectory past Mars on the way to Jupiter. This trajectory passes within 80 +/-3 kilometers of the surface of Mars. Nobody is going to trust a PASCAL program (or a PASCAL programmer) for navigation to these tolerances.

The article is satirical so I am not sure how true is this, but over its history, the maintainers of these probes have done truly remarkable stuff like this.

https://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/rni/papers/realprg.html

wookmaster 2 hours ago|
Duh its space you have to use Turbo pascal
vardump 1 hour ago|||
Duh, turbo doesn't work in space. Surely you meant High Speed Pascal!

https://www.fihl.net/HSPascal/

gdubs 30 minutes ago||
One of my favorite stories about the Voyager mission was how they wanted to grab photos of the outer planets but the click of the tape drive was enough to ruin the long exposures. I made a YouTube short about it a while back:

https://youtube.com/shorts/fssIy-wQisA?si=_HM1fgZKGFfaxWhc

ftkftk 10 minutes ago||
Voyager is an awesome mission. But the AI fingerprint in the piece is a turn off.
stared 3 hours ago||
Good they launched Voyager 1 before invention of Docker, Electron and NPM projects with thousands of padLefts.
bikamonki 1 hour ago|
Wow! Reading this after watching PHM I almost cried...again.

Now, this is what impressed me the most: ""... and wrote software flexible enough to be updated from Earth decades after launch.."

OTA patches where invented in the 70's :)

Quitschquat 1 hour ago|
What's PHM
ethmarks 1 hour ago||
Project Hail Mary. It's a sci-fi novel by Andy Weir (author of The Martian) that was adapted into a movie that released in theaters a couple weeks ago. It's fantastic and you should totally read/watch it.
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