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Posted by DiffTheEnder 8 hours ago

Bird brains (2023)(www.dhanishsemar.com)
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roywiggins 5 hours ago|
It makes you wonder how smart their ancestors- dinosaurs- were.
gjsman-1000 7 hours ago||
> Dr. Irene Pepperberg studied an African grey parrot named Alex for 30 years. Alex could identify objects, colours, shapes, and numbers. He understood abstract concepts like "same" and "different." His vocabulary exceeded 100 words. When he died in 2007, his last words to Pepperberg were reportedly "You be good. I love you. See you tomorrow." I don't care how you define intelligence -- that one's hard to brush off.

The author takes forgranted the claim of intelligence; and does not assess at all whether the researcher simply said those words to the parrot every night. (Why not? It sounds exactly like what a researcher would tell a parrot before turning off the lights.) A quick search on Wikipedia says the parrot was also found dead in the morning, not in the implied "parrot has last words" scenario.

DiffTheEnder 6 hours ago||
Ah yeah that's exactly what it was but thought I'd try to add a bit more emotion to this point haha. Even if the parrot said this every night as a good night - its still very sweet that Alex said that every night :)
gjsman-1000 4 hours ago||
Then to put it bluntly; you lied to your audience.

> "I don't care how you define intelligence -- that one's hard to brush off."

If your audience conceived it as possibly being a merely repeated phrase that the researcher probably said thousands of times, not something the parrot actually understood, then it is very easy to brush off as something we already knew parrots could do.

DiffTheEnder 3 hours ago||
Thanks that’s fair critique. And apologise for the half truth there.
mock-possum 6 hours ago||
iirc there’s a similar mythos around coco the gorilla
SoftTalker 7 hours ago||
> Calling someone a "bird brain" is honestly more of a compliment.

Well no. Some birds are flat-out dumb. Chickens for example.

forinti 7 hours ago||
One fact that I find very curious is that I see all sorts of animals killed on the road, but never chickens. And I see plenty of them by the road.

Maybe they never try to cross roads?

SoftTalker 6 hours ago|||
"Chicken" is also an idiomatic synonym for "frightens easily." They do have some instinct for avoiding danger.
Broken_Hippo 5 hours ago||||
They definitely cross roads.

In the mountains around Trondheim, Norway, you run into free range chicken farms (and sheep roaming the mountain top). Signs warn you that chickens are about and I think them getting hit is a real concern if you are maximizing chicken freedom.

That said, these aren't busy roads. The more traffic, the more barriers to keep the animals from getting hit.

DroneBetter 6 hours ago|||
or perhaps it's an artefact of them having a higher contrast against the asphalt and being somewhat fat and puffy compared to most roadkill animals
unzadunza 6 hours ago||
Chickens are not dumb, check out:

https://thehumaneleague.org/article/are-chickens-smart https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5306232/

bitwize 3 hours ago||
I think that dogs and cats fail the mirror test not because they are unintelligent or lack a "sense of self", but because their sense of self is tied up with their sense of smell. Mirror reflections don't smell like themselves, so they don't recognize the reflection as themselves. They might recognize the reflection as a strange dog or cat, which may provoke aggression.
awinter-py 6 hours ago||
is this a straight-up advantage, or is the trade-off lower connectivity?
djmips 7 hours ago||
bird brains are a die shrink of mammalian brains.
api 5 hours ago||
Birds are evolutionarily optimized for low mass.
tos1 7 hours ago||
This gives a whole new meaning to the term “stochastic parrots” for LLMs :)
builderhq_io 7 hours ago|
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