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Posted by thinkingemote 10 hours ago

Random numbers, Persian code: A mysterious signal transfixes radio sleuths(www.rferl.org)
https://www.wired.com/story/a-mysterious-numbers-station-is-...
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ada1981 4 hours ago|
over / under it's just some kid broadcasting an encrypted Phish Prague 7/6/98 GHOST on repeat?

https://youtu.be/Q6cR7PEyzW4

philipwhiuk 8 hours ago||
Sounds like a CIA numbers station transmitting info to agents on the ground.
hypeatei 9 hours ago||
This reminds me of UVB-76[0], a shortwave military radio in Russia. It would be interesting know why they're using this method to communicate covertly rather than beaming down messages to a phone via satellite or something. I'm not an expert on radios, though, so maybe it's not as clunky as I'm imagining where an undercover asset is hauling around bulky equipment.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVB-76

teeray 8 hours ago||
It’s simple, reliable, and effective. Shortwave receivers can be made fairly compact. They’re also very prevalent in most countries (every ham transciever), so there’s nothing suspicious to pack. People find numbers stations interesting, so they are often streamed online. One time pads have their logistical shortcomings, but are still the best encryption possible. The OTP can be compromised in known, visible ways, where a phone has myriad invisible ways to be compromised.
smegger001 3 hours ago||
You could probably cheat with the one time pad and use a book as a key, pick a pre determined starting point go diagonally down accross the page convert the letters to numbers and xor that against the message. It would be near enough to random and less conspicuous than a pad of random numbers when searched.
teeray 1 hour ago||
That feels like something that could suffer from frequency analysis.
ndiddy 8 hours ago|||
Like the article says, satellite messages can be traced while radio is broadcast to everyone so it's impossible to find out who's listening. Shortwave radios are also cheap and widespread, so it's easy to get one anywhere in the world and if your house gets searched, it won't be suspicious if you have one.
tdeck 8 hours ago|||
> Shortwave radios are also cheap and widespread, so it's easy to get one anywhere in the world

I always hear this in discussions about number stations, but I don't think this is true in the US. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen a general consumer "shortwave radio". Unless the regular AM band counts, which seems to be medium wave.

ndiddy 7 hours ago|||
The term for shortwave radios targeting the general consumer market is "world band radio". They look like a standard portable AM/FM radio except they'll also pick up long wave, medium wave, short wave, and maybe weather band. They're more of a niche in the US now that internet streaming is a thing, but you should still be able to get one at most electronics stores. Of course like most niche products, you'll get much better selection and pricing online.
smegger001 3 hours ago||||
I used to have little battery powered AM/FM/Shortwave/weather radio lost it a couple house moveings ago. Kept it around for the emergacy weather radio during flood events and other extreme weather when internet/power isnt reliable. Should probably pick up a replacement come to think of it.
JohnFen 7 hours ago||||
I'm in the US. At least half of the people I know own shortwave radios, although most don't think of them as "shortwave radios". They're more often called "world radios" or some other such synonym. I could run out to a consumer electronics store right now and buy one.

The younger people I know tend to own such a radio in the form of the Baofeng UV-5R or the like.

lukeinator42 6 hours ago||
A Baofeng UV-5R cannot receive shortwave, it's in the VHF/UHF range for receive/transmit and can receive commercial FM broadcast.
JohnFen 4 hours ago||
Ah, true. My mistake.
gorfian_robot 8 hours ago|||
def a niche consumer item these days. but pretty easy to make your own.
lxgr 7 hours ago||||
Satellite unicast receivers also can't be located. Iridium pagers were (maybe still are?) a thing, for example.

However, carrying one of these is probably highly suspicious compared to a world band radio receiver.

ErroneousBosh 3 hours ago|||
> Like the article says, satellite messages can be traced while radio is broadcast to everyone

I don't buy it.

Satellite downlinks are broadcast to everyone under a potentially massive footprint. Take a look at the footprint for QO-100 which you could use with very inexpensive equipment that looks pretty much like a normal satellite TV dish.

https://jeremyclark.ca/wp/telecom/sdr-for-qo-100-satellite-r...

nemomarx 8 hours ago|||
Phones usually contain the hardware for radio too, so making sure agents have some set of models for that doesn't sound bad. Even if you had to use a dedicated one having a radio at home isn't that conspicuous? Or in a car, etc
gorfian_robot 8 hours ago|||
a consumer phone usually would only have an FM receiver
eichin 3 hours ago|||
ooh, new fodder for conspiracies about electric cars not having AM radios :-)
jacknews 9 hours ago||
perhaps they're not directed at deeply embedded lone spies with radios in their attics, but at 'military assets' which as a matter of course can receive these transmissions on a designated schedule.
j16sdiz 9 hours ago||
Better source: https://www.rferl.org/a/mystery-numbers-station-persian-sign...
dang 5 hours ago||
Ok, we've changed to that from https://www.wired.com/story/a-mysterious-numbers-station-is-... above, and I've put the latter link in the toptext. Thanks!
lazyguythugman 9 hours ago|||
I've been off put by WIRE recently. Thanks for this.
aaron695 8 hours ago||
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srean 7 hours ago|

   For intelligence agencies,
   it is important to 
   communicate with their
   spies to gather intelligence,” 
   says John Sipher, a former
   US intelligence officer
Is Sipher really his name. Nominative determinism strikes again.

Sifr is also a valid word both in Farsi, I think. An Ironic and cruel pun.

OJFord 5 hours ago||
> Sifr is also a valid word both in Farsi, I think

That is the root of 'cipher'; meaning zero/empty/nothingness.

srean 4 hours ago||
Indeed and used cleverly in Casino Royale by naming Le Chiffre that way.

I knew 'sifr' was an Arabic word and only today I came to know that it works in Farsi too.

The double pun/irony is that the John Sipher's surname is related to the topic of cryptography and that the etymological roots is Middle-Eastern.

OJFord 26 minutes ago||
Also Hindi, Urdu, and no doubt others if we're drawing lines :) – there's an awful lot of overlap/loanwords.
akssri 3 hours ago|||
More so if you know the etymology,

https://www.etymonline.com/word/cipher

(Al Jabr, the translator of Indian Mathematical texts was a Persian IIRC)

lioeters 2 hours ago||
Al-Jabr, from where we get the word albebra, is an abbreviated name of the book (The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing). The translator's name was al-Khwarizmi, from where we get the word algorithm. He was of Persian origin.
srean 1 hour ago||
Why do say "translator's name" ?

Al-Khwarizmi authored the book Al-Jabr.

lioeters 19 minutes ago||
Oh you're right, I was confused by the rich cultural exchange of translations happening at the time, from Greek and Sanskrit texts to Arabic then later Arabic texts to Latin. Both the book and the author are fascinating subjects I enjoy learning more about.
buildbot 7 hours ago|||
Random chance has a really good sense of humor!
Obscurity4340 5 hours ago|||
1/10 dentists hates nominative determinism. That dentist? Dr. Procter
ErroneousBosh 3 hours ago|||
You'd be amazed how many firefighters I know called "Burns", even leaving aside Ayrshire where lots of people are not-too-distantly related to a famous poet who, to put it mildly, put it about a bit.
aaron695 7 hours ago||
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