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Posted by dherls 5 hours ago

The OpenAI Graveyard: All the Deals and Products That Haven't Happened(www.forbes.com)
163 points | 128 commentspage 2
jexe 4 hours ago|
I'm not an OAI fanboy by a longshot - but I'd view lots of experiments that didn't work out as a healthy thing, especially for a company trying to find footing in a new industry.
shimman 4 hours ago|
It's not an experiment if you publicly showcase and create tens of millions worth of marketing materials on it.

Usually company "experiments" are typically hush hush, not blasted on every corporate media channel as a means to boost your company holdings.

andrewstuart 2 hours ago||
The future of ChatGPT maybe well be as a Microsoft product.
MisterTea 4 hours ago||
Who is the person in the portrait at the top of the page?
adrian_b 4 hours ago|
The CEO himself.

For some reason, he does not look like a man whom I would trust with my money, but it appears that there are enough rich investors who disagree.

MisterTea 4 hours ago||
Threw me off because I have no idea what Altman looks like and the article opened with "OpenAI’s CEO of applications Fidji Simo..."
crispyambulance 4 hours ago||
I think the VC/investor community needs to take A LOT of blame here. They've created an insane rush to financialize everything to moon at the drop of a hat.

I mean, even Andresson-Horowitz was taking NFT's seriously as though they weren't a scam only a few years ago (https://a16z.com/the-nft-starter-pack-tools-for-anyone-to-an...).

These people are also looking (and funding) quantum computing companies as though quantum computing is right around the corner after AGI.

They need to cool their jets. AI is certainly a worthwhile and super important development, but it's still possible to go overboard with it.

TimLeland 3 hours ago||
Unfortunately I would bet OpenClaw will be on the list soon
EGreg 4 hours ago||
So is OpenAI on track to overtake Google for discontinuing projects?
Mistletoe 4 hours ago||
Has there ever been a period o time where people saw a bubble coming and that we were in one, but it just inexorably refused to pop/drug out this long? This isn’t a rhetorical question, I’m wondering how this period compares to other irrational periods of the economy like railroad fever etc.
neaden 3 hours ago||
Not at all, there is a famous saying (often attributed to Keynes but as far as I can tell he never said) “Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
guzfip 2 hours ago||
“But can the markets remain solvent longer than I can remain rational” is the real question.
cmiles8 4 hours ago|||
It’s not been that long really. The dot com bubble was called a bubble for a while before it finally imploded. And just like now folks were in massive denial that it was a bubble.

One of the challenges here is that a lot of folks simply weren’t around then and haven’t seen what happens when everything implodes overnight. Those that have experienced it know what that looks like and know it will happen again.

ifwinterco 1 hour ago|||
What makes this time weird though is back then (and in most bubbles) the bubble was creating jobs - supposedly (I'm too young) anyone who could write a bit of HTML could get hired in the dot com boom.

Whereas this is a very weird bubble where it creates big pumps in some equity prices but apart from a tiny number of people who are directly involved in AI research etc. it's not created any jobs, in fact by creating uncertainty it's probably caused fewer jobs to be created.

What that means for labour market dynamics when it pops I really don't know

bigbuppo 4 hours ago|||
It's no coincidence that daytrading ascended with the dotcom era.
ceejayoz 3 hours ago|||
NFTs lasted a lot longer than they should have.
chasd00 2 hours ago||
yes they did, Salesforce even came out with an "NFT Cloud" product.
banannaise 4 hours ago|||
Bubbles don't pop overnight. In the aftermath of any collapse, you can generally see a pretty clear pattern of red flags (and attempts to minimize them or cover them up). Some parties notice earlier than others, but the realization is generally a much more gradual process than the collapse.
simianwords 3 hours ago||
The bubble bursting has almost become eschatological for deniers. Keep praying that it will happen. It won't.
greenchair 21 minutes ago|||
Why the sudden pivot to agents and subagents? One shotting not good enough? Was a tech plateau reached? Or maybe one related to cost?
ifwinterco 1 hour ago||||
LLMs can be a massively transformative and valuable technology, and this would still be a bubble, there's no reason those two things can't be true at once.

In fact "pure" bubbles where the focus item is of literally no value (tulips, NFTs) are quite rare. Much more common are the bubbles based on an actual real transformative innovation (canals, railways, radio, internet, LLMs).

Railways did absolutely transform how travel worked in the UK, while simultaneously almost everyone who invested in them lost their shirts

banannaise 3 hours ago|||
That's also what NFT hypebros said.
guzfip 2 hours ago||
Lying is a virtue.
6510 3 hours ago|
Before he left I use to enjoy enraging a manager several layers above me. In one instance I explained that asking us to cut a few corners to get things done was fine, usually we can figure out acceptable ways of doing it. But then, it is your job to take those fake numbers and figure out how we are doing. No matter how much effort you make if bullshit goes in you know what will come out.

Now imagine an entire economy working like that. Like say, LLM's are good enough to run entire companies but you don't get to run a company because you are good at it. LLM's can perfectly manage employee schedules but the real job is more like marriage counseling or group therapy. Somewhere along the road we forgot which jobs make the economy go. They are probably the ones with the lowest salaries as those lack the effort of conjuring the job into existence.

Humanity needs obvious things cloths, food, housing, transportation etc but that isn't where the money is. The people cooking the books have the money and they are looking for something like a book cooking book. The market for openAI will be in lying convincingly for the benefit of the investor. Reality must be auctioned off like domain names or search engine placements. Altman is really the perfect guy for the job no one wants. ha-ha

Alternatively we could humble ourselves, ask the Chinese how reality works and attempt to steal their fu. It's just a thought.

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