Posted by franze 11 hours ago
So the full solution would be models trained in an open verifiable way and running locally.
You can trigger the the service's ToS violation or worse, get tipped off to law enforcement for something you didn't even write.
In HN circles perhaps. Average Joes don’t care.
anthropic, google, openai etc, decided that their consumer ai plans would not be private. partly to collect training data, the other half to employ moderators to review user activity for safety.
we trust that human moderators will not review and flag our icloud docs, onedrive or gmail, or aggregate such documents into training data for llms. it became the norm that an llm is somehow not private. it became a norm that you can't opt out of training, even on paid plans (see meta and google); or if you can opt out of training, you can't opt out of moderation.
cloud models with a zero retention privacy policy are private enough for almost everyone, the subscriptions, google search, ai search engines are either 'buying' your digital life or covering themselves for legal reasons.
you can and should have private cloud services, and if legal agreement is not enough, cryptographic attestation is already used in compute, with AWS nitro enclaves and other providers.
I personally think everyone should default to using local resources. Cloud resources should only be used for expansion and be relatively bursty rather than the default.
That's two halves of "why", sure.
Another interesting half would be that those companies have US military officers on their boards, and LLMs are the ultimate voluntary data collection platform, even better trojan horses than smartphones.
Yet another "half" could be how much enterprise value might be found by datamining for a minute or two... may I suggest reading a couple of Martha Wells books.
As an enthusiastic reader of books like Privacy is Power and Surveillance Capitalism, it feels good to have a private tool that is ready at hand.
I saw a service named Phala, which claims to be actually no-knowledge to server side (I think). It was significantly more expensive, but interesting to see it's out there. My thought was escaping the data-collection-hungry consumer models was a big win.
cryptographic confirmation of zero knowledge: yes.
the latter, based on trust in the hardware manufacturer and their root ca. so, encrypted if you trust intel/nvidia to sign it.
there are a few services, phala, tinfoil, near ai, redpill is an aggregator of those
if you are happy with off-prem then the llm is ok too, if you need on-prem this is when you will need local.
The private thing is the prompt.
But also, a local LLM opens up the possibility of agentic workflows that don't have to touch the Internet.
AFAIK the current model is on par with with Qwen-3-4B, which is from a year ago [0]. There's a big leap going from last year Qwen-3-4B to Qwen-3.5-4B or to Gemma 4.
Apple model is nice since you don't need to download anything else, but I'd rather use the latest model than to use a model from a year ago.
https://machinelearning.apple.com/research/apple-foundation-...
Of course I imagine Apple is not going to be the fastest mover in this regard. I’m not even sure they believe the product will be widely impactful anymore and may keep it relegated to a small list of popular use cases like photo touch ups and quick questions to Siri. For me the most useful parts of Apple’s AI don’t even require me to enable Apple Intelligence.
With the Claude bug, or so it is known, burning through tokens at record speed, I gave alternative models a try and they're mostly ... interchangeable. I don't know how easy switching and low brand loyalty and fast markets will play out. I hope that local LLMs will become very viable very soon.
Some such projects use CORS to allow read back as well. I haven’t read Apfel’s code yet, but I’m registering the experiment before performing it.
This is partially in response to https://localmess.github.io/ where Meta and Yandex pixel JS in websites would ping a localhost server run by their Android apps as a workaround to third-party cookie limits.
Chrome 142 launched a permission dialog: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/local-network-access
Edge 140 followed suit: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/control-a-website-...
And Firefox is in progress as well, though I couldn't find a clear announcement about rollout status: https://fosdem.org/2026/schedule/event/QCSKWL-firefox-local-...
So things are getting better! But there was a scarily long time where a rogue JS script could try to blindly poke at localhost servers with crafty payloads, hoping to find a common vulnerability and gain RCE or trigger exfiltration of data via other channels. I wouldn't be surprised if this had been used in the wild.
The default scenario should be secure. If the local site sends permissive CORS headers bets may be off. I would need to check but https->http may be a blocker too even in that case. Unless the attack site is http.
I have a new prompt to test LLMs much like simonw's pelican test.
"What is 9:30am Taiwan time in US, Pacific?" For some reason, the answers are quite inconsistent but all wrong.
./apfel "what is 9:30am Taiwan time in US, Pacific?"
Taiwan is 12 hours ahead of the Pacific Time Zone. Therefore, 9:30 AM Taiwan time would be 9:30 PM Pacific Time.
Taiwan is 13 hours ahead of the Pacific Time Zone. Therefore, 9:30 AM in Taiwan is 10:30 PM in the Pacific Time Zone.
Taiwan is in the China Standard Time (CST) zone, which is 12 hours ahead of the Pacific Standard Time (PST) zone. Therefore, 9:30 AM in Taiwan is 9:30 PM in the Pacific.
Taiwan is typically 11 hours ahead of the Pacific Time Zone. Therefore, 9:30 AM in Taiwan is 8:30 PM in the Pacific Time Zone.
Taiwan is 13 hours ahead of the Pacific Time Zone. Therefore, 9:30 AM in Taiwan is 10:30 PM the previous day in the Pacific Time Zone.The task is basically predicting pricing and costs.
Apple’s model came out on top—best accuracy in 6 out of 10 cases in the backtest. That surprised me.
It also looks like it might be fast enough to take over the whole job. If I ran this on Sonnet, we’re talking thousands per month. With DeepSeek, it’s more like hundreds.
So far, the other local models I’ve tried on my 64GB M4 Max Studio haven’t been viable - either far too slow or not accurate enough. That said, I haven’t tested a huge range yet.
This doesn't feel truthful, it sounds like this tool is a hack that unlocks something. If I understand it correctly, it's using the same FoundationModels framework that powers Apple Intelligence, but for CLI and OpenAI compatible REST endpoint. Which is fine, just the marketing goes hard a bit.
> Runs on Neural Engine
Also unsure if this runs on ANE, when I tried Apple Intelligence I saw that it ran on the GPU (Metal).
Also unsure…
Thank you for sharing your feelings and uncertainty.
Perhaps resist the urge to post until you have something to contribute.
You on the other hand contributed literally nothing to the topic
The poster said:
> Also unsure if this runs on ANE, when I tried Apple Intelligence I saw that it ran on the GPU (Metal).
They added something of some substance here.
Your post expressing your feelings did not.
Submitted a PR to prevent its installation on macos versions older than Tahoe(26), since I was able to install it on my older macos 15, but it aborted on execution.