Posted by kykeonaut 5 days ago
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Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.
Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.
Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer.
Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something.
The guidelines still apply, even if you feel negatively towards a project and its creator. Indeed it's even more important to make the effort to heed the guidelines for topics you feel negatively towards (after all, it's easy to be respectful about things we feel positively towards).
> Just trying to figure out where the line is
It's not really about a line, it's about the qualitative style of discussion we’re here for. HN is for people who like to build things and work on interesting new projects, and have curious conversations about what they're building. Projects that are new and built in different ways than what has come before will always be easy to criticise from a position of conformity to historical conventions, but if we all thought that way, nothing new would ever be built.
> I do think snark is a valid form of criticism sometimes
Not on HN. Thoughtful criticism is fine, and the very first two words of the “In Comments” section of the guidelines are “be kind”.
> but it's your house after all
That's not how we think about it. We’re custodians of this place and our role is to keep it a healthy place for discussion among intellectually curious hackers. It takes daily work and effort to uphold the guidelines and keep the standards up so that it doesn’t become the hellscape of negativity that it's often stereotyped as being.
The use of terms like “moral bankruptcy” is exactly what the guidelines ask us to avoid, indeed explicitly so with the phrase “Assume good faith”.
Part of the challenge of participating on HN is to be able to come into contact with people who see and do things differently (including building software projects in a way that's different from the way we consider proper) and find a way to recognize that they are still acting in good faith and deserving of basic courtesy.
I see you haven't heard of Microsoft...
- "You're absolutely right. One should read and understand their own code. I did, and it looks great"
OpenClaw is probably entering a phase of it's life where prototype-grade YOLO processes (like what the tweet describes) aren't going to cut it anymore. That's not really a criticism, the product's success has over vaulted it's maturity, which is a fortunate problem to have.
And yes, most probably I violated some spoken/unspoken rules and ready to bear consequences.
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Common sense abotu security has shifted significantly. You're (me including) with out common sense of security are in minority today. We're uncommon. Wait till people start questioning such stance.
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I just was reading docs on plugin for toddlywiki which makes gives it multiuser support and lan accessibility. The level of awarness of the risks of opening your tw server (i't like 5-ish years ago) to LAN is almost read like a satire from where we're today.
Intelligence asset.
Useful idiot.
Plenty of reasons.
We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47629849 and marked it off topic.
Who wants the fame must also take the blame.
Especially if they create a dangerous tool.
Edit: there was another case of this recently:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47576107
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47576084
The point is that mob dynamics do more damage to the community than the threads add value, and protecting the community has to be the high-order bit.
All new technology has issues. Figure it out.
Especially if you're spending $3k per month on inference, have the model fix the agent.
I suppose the idea is to wait for someone else to productize it.
Lazy.