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Posted by gpi 4 days ago

How many products does Microsoft have named 'Copilot'?(teybannerman.com)
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nfw2 4 days ago|
Is there a copilot for Microsoft flight simulator though?
EvanAnderson 4 days ago||
Microsoft is uniquely unable to name / brand anything sensibly:

"Outlook" / "Outlook Web Access" / "Outlook Web App" / "Outlook.com" / "new Outlook for Windows" / "Outlook (classic)"

.NET: .NET Framework. ASP.NET. .NET Core. Windows .NET Server. Ugh...)

The love of the term "Explorer": "Internet Explorer" / "Windows Explorer" / "File Explorer" / "MSN Explorer"

Similarly is the love of "Defender": "Windows Defender" / "Microsoft Defender" / "Windows Defender Antivirus" / "Windows Firewall" / "Windows Defender Firewall" / "Microsoft AntiSpyware" / "Microsoft Security Essentials" / "System Center Endpoint Protection"

"Messenger" was a term they loved: "MSN Messenger" / "Windows Messenger" / "Windows Live Messenger" (which also evokes the whole "Windows Live" series of products)

Windows 95 shipped with an email client called "Exchange" that could be used peer-to-peer (using a filesystem-based "Microsoft Mail Postoffice"), but there was also the email server platform "Exchange"

"Microsoft Teams" / "New Microsoft Teams" / "Microsoft Teams for Business"

"Microsoft FrontPage" / "Site Server" / "Site Server Commerce Edition" / "Office Server" / "SharePoint Portal Server" / "Windows SharePoint Services" / "Microsoft Office SharePoint Server" / "SharePoint Foundation" / "SharePoint Server" / "SharePoint Standard" / "SharePoint Enterprise" / "SharePoint Online" / "SharePoint Designer"

"Office Communicator" / "Microsoft Lync" / "Skype for Business" / "Skype" / "Skype for Business Online" / "Skype for Business for Microsoft 365"

Fairly guffaw-inducing branding, to me, was removing the Remote Desktop Client app and introducing something called "Windows App".

The old "System Management Server" became "System Center" and its family of products.

There's the whole accounting software / ERP world, too:

"Great Plains" / "Dynamics GP" / "Navision" / "Dynamics NAV" / "Solomon" / "Dynamics SL" / "Axapta" / "Dynamics AX" / "Dynamics 365" / "Dynamics 365 for Finance and Operations" / "Dynamics 365 Business Central"

(For most guffaws induced, though, there's the Windows 98-era "Critical Update Notification Tool"[0])

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Update#Critical_Update...

reincarnate0x14 4 days ago||
My "callsign" at work for many, many years was a result of the entire C-suite hearing me laughing about Microsoft Critical Update Notification Tool and sending a manager down to figure what the hell was going on in the test lab.
NeutralCrane 4 days ago|||
Their Xbox consoles have also uniquely terrible naming:

“Xbox” / “Xbox 360” / “Xbox One” / “Xbox One X” / “Xbox Series S” / “Xbox Series X”

Anamon 4 days ago||
I forgot about that one.

What should we call our third product? -- One. -- Brilliant!

What should we call the fourth product in the series? -- Series. -- Brilliant!

ValentineC 4 days ago|||
> "Messenger" was a term they loved: "MSN Messenger" / "Windows Messenger" / "Windows Live Messenger" (which also evokes the whole "Windows Live" series of products)

I thought this was the same app/protocol, only more enshittified as time went by.

walrus01 4 days ago||
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ChrisArchitect 4 days ago||
Related/same discussion:

What Is Copilot Exactly?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47603231

Suppafly 2 days ago||
Microsoft always does this, they let their marketing drive the ship for some reason. Before copilot it was 365. Before that it renaming a bunch of stuff to .net.
tedk-42 4 days ago||
Microsoft slowly becoming the IBM of the 21st century.
OJFord 4 days ago||
I think it's fair enough that 'the assistant in the GUI/cloud program X, like Clippy++' has the same name for all X.

But it's absolutely bonkers that that's the same name as the IDE auto-complete integration, and the GitHub agentic worker, and the GitHub chat, and the GitHub reviewer.

yunnpp 4 days ago||
Plot twist: he used Copilot to generate the figure.
thomasjudge 3 days ago||
Related: (parody): if you haven't seen it, this is a critique - from microsofties I think - of MSFT product branding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k

giancarlostoro 4 days ago||
Its annoying especially since Copilot exists in Visual Studio (Code too I believe) and its not exactly "the same" thing as far as I can tell. I really hate Microsoft's naming conventions. At least call that one Copilot for Devs or something more meaningful.
ethmarks 4 days ago|
The Copilot in Visual Studio (Code) is not the same as Microsoft's Copilot. The former is GitHub's AI product and the latter is Microsoft's AI product. You can tell them apart because GitHub Copilot's icon is a helmet with goggles and Microsoft Copilot's icon is a colourful swirl thing.

It's wildly confusing branding not only because they're identically-named things that both repackage OpenAI's LLMs, but also because they're both ultimately owned by the same company.

I can only assume that the conflicting naming convention was either due to sheer incompetence or because they decided that confusing users was advantageous to them.

lou1306 4 days ago|||
> they're identically-named things that both repackage OpenAI's LLMs

Haven't tried it yet but the GitHub Copilot extension for VSCode also seems to integrate Claude, Gemini and other non-OAI stuff

chatmasta 4 days ago||
They do, and those models are served by Microsoft. You pay a premium per “request” (what that means is not fully clear to me) for certain models. If you use the native chat extension in VSCode for GitHub CoPilot, with Opus model selected, you are not paying Anthropic. This counts against your GitHub Copilot subscription.

The Claude Code extension for VSCode from Anthropic will use your Claude subscription. But honestly it’s not very good - I use it but only to “open in terminal” (this adds some small quality of life features like awareness it’s in VSC so it opens files in the editor pane next to it).

giancarlostoro 4 days ago||
The best non-Clude Code CLI integration by far has been Zed's and I prefer Zed over what VS Code has become.
chatmasta 4 days ago||||
And let’s not forget that Visual Studio Code (the IDE) is not Visual Studio (the IDE).
giancarlostoro 4 days ago||
This is my biggest frustration as a full time .NET developer. Its especially worse when you're searching for Visual Studio (IDE) specifics, and get results for VS Code. It bewilders me why a company that owns a search engine names their products so poorly.
marcosdumay 4 days ago||
> This is my biggest frustration as a full time .NET developer.

Larger than the difference between the .Net Framework (that is a framework) and .Net Core (that is a framework)?

giancarlostoro 4 days ago|||
Copilot for Visual Studio (IDE) has multiple models, not just OpenAI models, it also includes Claude. It is basically a competitor to JetBrains AI.

The only good "AI" editor that supports Claude Code natively has so far been Zed. It's not PERFECT, but it has been the best experience short of just running Claude Code directly in the CLI.

starkeeper 4 days ago|
How many windows services or low level system dlls has Microsoft lost the source code for and or does not even know what they actually do?

Copilot does not know either but I'm sure the answer is a much bigger number then anyone would be comfortable with.

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