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Posted by ibobev 10 hours ago

Book review: There Is No Antimemetics Division(www.stephendiehl.com)
180 points | 127 commentspage 4
measurablefunc 6 hours ago|
Written by AI.
aaroninsf 7 hours ago||
I read this.

It's got some provocative ideas, which Stephen foregrounds.

It's got a great hook, and like most writing incubated under circumstances like this, it leans hard into polished sharp introduction into a well-considered world with a very specific flavor.

It's also—no better way to put it—crappy as a novel.

It's not because the author can't string sentences together.

It's because that's not what makes a novel function as a novel.

Epic opening and premise establishment: 10/10

Nice "plot twist", predictable in its inevitability if not its specifics; conforms to genre: 7/10

Narrative arc: 2/10

Ability to sustain meaningful tension and interest while working through the de rigeur mechanics of filling hundreds of pages: 1/10

I get that there is a new readership with different expectations and styles of reading. (Looking at you tiktok; looking at you Dungeon Crawler Carl; looking at most successful YA fiction especially that which gets SPICEY and is released in 8-book series with a new volume every 11 months)

If you're silverback and relish long-form fiction as previously conceived: set expectations accordingly.

doug_durham 6 hours ago|
I am a "silverback" and have read all of the classics of the SciFi genre and I loved this novel. An unconventional topic like this isn't going to fit all of the norms of writing. I thought it was well written and I love his dialog. I'm looking forward to future work.
bluewin 2 hours ago||
Yeah, it's trying to cohere the structure of the book with the topic matter which I really appreciate. It doesn't always quite land, but I think it was really worthwhile. Although I can understand how someone who is looking for a "normal" novel might be dissatisfied. But to me it's a bit like house of leaves, you need to accept the meta-conceit of the book being subject to the effect of its contents.
frankfrank13 9 hours ago||
I have not read this book. I've been avoiding it for a while for the dumbest possible reason, which is that I only associate this book with SWE's.
bluewin 2 hours ago||
Researcher here, if you like antimemes as a concept then this is a nice treatment that introduces people to what it means and how one needs to think around them in order to function.

It's a bit off kilter but well worth it

nusl 4 hours ago||
It's worth a read, at least the first half, just because it's really fun.
throw4847285 4 hours ago||
Exactly what a SWE would say.
nusl 2 hours ago||
I'm not a Single-Wombat Entity if that's what you're accusing me of. I do, in-fact, have multiple wombats making up my person.
jppope 7 hours ago|
The book was good but I struggled to finish it. You as a reader are encouraged to read because the ideas are so good but then it becomes hard to endure through to whatever resolution was waiting. For those unfamiliar, it will feel something like Momento - you start to feel yourself changing as you work through it. Worth a go for anyone looking for something different.