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Posted by fork-bomber 12 hours ago

Top laptops to use with FreeBSD(freebsdfoundation.github.io)
209 points | 113 commentspage 2
bluGill 8 hours ago|
That is cool in ways, but many manufactures change the internals without changing the model number and so I'm not sure how much I can trust it. There is a recycled computers place near me that will sell me some of those cheap, but how can I be sure the one I'm buying is the same as the one tested (if indeed I can find any of those model numbers at all - which is a factor of what companies near me are recycling this month)
irusensei 7 hours ago||
In my opinion pre alder lake intel is the sweet spot for FreeBSD. Not sure about AMD but anything before 2020 should work just fine. Just avoid CPUs with heterogenous core configurations for now.
Jotalea 6 hours ago||
I'd say Juana Manso laptops are usable with FreeBSD. sure, you lose brightness control, you can't see how much battery remains, (I didn't try wifi but the 9650AC chip seems to be supported), but it is usable. audio works, USB works, video works when you load the Intel drivers.
sroerick 6 hours ago||
There's an axiom here which is that the better your overall user experience is, the less hardware support you are going to have.

The more accessible software becomes the more infra is required to support it, and the more complex and convoluted the software will be

skydhash 8 hours ago||
I have the latitude 7490 and it worked great with Linux, FreeBSD and OpenBSD. The only issue is some hardware design issue where lifting it with one hand will cause it to freeze (possibly some stress causing a shock or a displacement).

The best resource to check support is https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/dmesgd

shrubble 6 hours ago||
This happened exactly to me also, I suspect some flexing in the motherboard or other component; right now it is complaining about the RAM and reseating hasn’t fixed it. Great laptop otherwise however!
gentile 6 hours ago||
Consider balling up some electrical tape underneath the Ram stick. This solved this very specific issue with my laptop that was flexing too much and crashing.
shrubble 6 hours ago||
Between the RAM and the motherboard? Interesting, will try it.
spooneybarger 8 hours ago||
That's a very small list.
guenthert 7 hours ago||
Yeah, compare to https://ubuntu.com/certified/laptops it is.

Years ago, there was a project combining Debian with the kernel from FreeBSD. That never made sense to me and the project seems to have died meanwhile. More sensible, IMHO, might be to bolt the FreeBSD user space unto the Linux kernel. That way one would get fairly broad and current hardware support and could still enjoy a classic Unix look&feel and stable ABI.

yjftsjthsd-h 2 hours ago|||
IMHO the biggest advantage that Debian/kFreeBSD would have had would be first-class ZFS support. You can use ZFS with Debian today, but the license problem means it only gets supported through DKMS, which is a pain; a FreeBSD-based Debian could ship binary packages for ZFS that just worked out of the box.
theragra 6 hours ago||||
Moreover, many laptops working on Linux perfectly, are not Ubuntu certified. Lenovo Legion series generally works well, but it is not in the Ubuntu list. Id we'd make a list of all 8/10 or more compatible laptops, it would be huge.
skydhash 6 hours ago|||
> More sensible, IMHO, might be to bolt the FreeBSD user space unto the Linux kernel.

A lot of BSD utilities that are not POSIX has really close interaction with the kernel. OpenBSD’s *ctl binaries are often the user-facing part of some OS subsystem. Linux subsystem often expose a very complex internal that you need to use some other project to tame down

badgersnake 7 hours ago||
It’s a subset of a subset. The sets being (FreeBSD users (with laptops (who can be bothered to write about them on an obscure wiki)))
sunshine-o 6 hours ago||
I personally feel like the race to support a vast array of hardware is very costly for such a small team and might be a waste of their precious resources.

Of course I love FreeBSD and want it to be supported on my desktop or laptop but at what cost?

Here is the question I have always wanted to ask: Why not make the ultimate compromise and say: you will be able to run FreeBSD on almost all laptops but it is gonna be through let say an Alpine Linux hypervisor and we are gonna ship it with all the glue you need to have a great experience.

About every CPU has great visualization capabilities nowadays and the perf are amazing.

Now some might start screaming at the idea but you already run your favorite operating system through a stack of software you do not trust or control: UEFI, CPU microcode, etc.

I believe we need OS diversity and if so much of the energy of project is spent on working on an infinite hardware support, how much is left for the real innovation?

kombine 5 hours ago|
I agree. Linux has a wealth of hardware drivers and the time would be better spent on a translation layer or do it via running a VM or even using LLMs to port the drivers over to FreeBSD en masse. That way BSD team can focus on their unique strengths.
atmosx 4 hours ago||
My guess is that *BSDs will see a huge boosts in HW support in the following years, primarily due to LLMs.
shevy-java 7 hours ago||
Good old FreeBSD - always trying to catch up to Linux.
unethical_ban 4 hours ago||
This isn't a holy war, and freeBSD does well for itself where it's good. It's definitely oriented to servers.
wolvoleo 6 hours ago|||
Not really, it's just different. Not trying to be the same, which catching up implies.
jmclnx 7 hours ago||
Glad to see this list, will keep an eye on it !

Now to be fair, in a few ways I think it is ahead. Now if you said "catch up to Linux in hardware support" I would fully agree.

Last I heard, its VM (swap/memory) processes is still better, but seems many Linux people avoid swap space these days. FWIW, I always have swap on any system that allows it.

And Jails, IMO nothing on Linux comes close to how good FreeBSD Jails is.

bionsystem 6 hours ago||
Incus is pretty damn good to be fair. You can mix and match VMs and containers, the terraform provider "just works", the setup is fast and easy, it plays well with ZFS. Now I wouldn't be surprised if it still lags jails (or Illumos Zones) in robustness or some capabilities but I'm a happy user of them now.
chajath 2 hours ago||
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