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Posted by bookofjoe 5 days ago

YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney(www.hollywoodreporter.com)
275 points | 216 commentspage 3
dzonga 5 hours ago||
covered in terms of educational material,

covered in terms of conference videos,

then you can listen to dj mixes.

YouTube is simply goated - no other platform comes to the versatility you can consume in terms of long-form content.

m6z 5 hours ago||
Love it or hate, it is better than what traditional broadcast television has become. Cannot even watch a TV channel on the television nowadays. It is all just advertisements, sometimes stretching past 5 minutes. Even with youtube advertising more, it is not as painful as watching any kind of show or movie on a television.
MrDrMcCoy 1 hour ago|
The ad frequency and lack of variety is bad enough, but streaming services have gotten very lazy with choosing when to play them. Sometimes an entire show plays them 5 seconds ahead of the clear fade to black for the break, then plays the fade as soon as the commercials are over. Yarr.
seydor 5 hours ago||
OK can they now stop forgetting my chosen settings on TV every time? It's a pain in the butt.

And stop recommending me the same videos over and over , gah

siva7 5 hours ago||
can someone tell me why youtube music is so good at recommending me music i certainly won't like?
nothrowaways 6 hours ago||
Could as well eat Spotify in a snap, just has to comment out that stupid

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Willish42 23 minutes ago||
I wish the audio quality of youtube videos matched other streaming services. Bandwidth-wise it's pretty minimal, but the audio quality isn't quite as good as competitors like Spotify (and the longer they take to upgrade audio bitrate, the longer the problem persists and uploaded content has lower audio fidelity)
jjice 6 hours ago||
That one is behind the `hasPremium` feature flag
ndriscoll 6 hours ago||
Or just install Video Background Play Fix (which should just be the default, or at least in settings, but at least it seems to be a Mozilla repo).
qweiopqweiop 6 hours ago||
It genuinely disgusts me that the world's largest media company shoves addictive, short form content down users throats (especially young people). Anyone working on it at Google should be ashamed of what they're doing.
ssenssei 6 hours ago||
I actually currently run youtube out of firefox in mobile and web, and its pretty much amazing in both and doesn't feel janky.

The upside of that is that if you add the correct script to the ad blocker extension, you'll never see a youtube reel for the rest of your life, which HEAVILY improves the experience on youtube.

this is the filter list I use: https://github.com/i5heu/ublock-hide-yt-shorts

sheept 6 hours ago|||
The social media companies got so large because they optimized for engagement over all else. If they were any less addictive, they'd have way fewer users, and we wouldn't be talking about them now. This can probably only be addressed with regulation
asdfman123 5 hours ago||
Yes, you can be the guy at a social media company who says "perhaps earning a few extra billion in revenue this way is bad for children," but the executives are just going to replace you.
Gagarin1917 6 hours ago|||
Where is it being shoved down anyone’s throat?

You literally have to intentionally click a short video or use the shorts tab to see any YouTube short.

rambambram 6 hours ago|||
Shorts are pushed on the homepage and in the sidebar. At least in the UI that I see in Firefox desktop.

I sometimes wonder if other people get other UIs than I do. There's technically nothing stopping them from 'tailoring' the UI for different people.

Gander5739 5 hours ago||||
They play on app startup on the android app, at least for me.
biggestfan 5 hours ago||
That happens if you close the app while on a Short. Otherwise it opens to the homepage.
Gander5739 5 hours ago||
I don't watch shorts. I have them disabled via morphe.
pyreko 6 hours ago||||
Ehhhh not recently. They have an entire shorts section on my subscription page now, and shorts are _heavily_ pushed on my home page feed despite me trying to dismiss them multiple times.

Like yes I can hide them all using ublock on desktop and morphe on Android, but that the fact I have to do it to avoid them is because they're pushing shorts harder as of late, it used to also be pushed but not as much from my personal experience.

Gagarin1917 5 hours ago||
>They have an entire shorts section on my subscription page now

Because the people you subscribe to are making those shorts.

Your subscription page shows you all the most recent videos from the channels you’re subscribed to.

That in no way is shoving anything down your throat. You’re just supposed to watch what you want to watch. You’re not expected to click and watch every video in your subscription feed.

pyreko 5 hours ago|||
Right but before they _didn't_ have an entire dang section for shorts lol. It's near the very top too, so I literally could not avoid seeing it. If they treated it as a normal video I wouldn't care as much.

And unfortunately many YouTubers who do make normal, good content also make shorts because it's incredibly algorithm-friendly, so there's no avoiding it unless you blacklist every creator that dares make shorts.

pyreko 4 hours ago|||
It's also near the very top of the home feed too - it's even above videos for me, the only thing on top of it is ongoing livestreams. So if I want to use the feed, I have to scroll through a giant shorts section. Then its a row of videos, and then it's another row of just shorts. Again, I DO NOT WATCH SHORTS, but YT really wants me to watch them from the looks of it.

Of course, I then see one row of videos and then the damn "YouTube Playable" section so maybe the moral of the story is that the main page is unusable outright.

Gagarin1917 3 hours ago|||
>Right but before they _didn't_ have an entire dang section for shorts

An “entire section” isn’t “shoving” something down your throat. You literally don’t even have to process that part of the site with your brain.

When you go to Amazon are you just completely overwhelmed by all the stuff they’re “shoving down your throat”? I mean they have tons of sections on the home page. Are you actually bothered by that or are do you simply search for what you want like everyone else?

kotaKat 6 hours ago|||
You click the button to hide the card of Shorts on the home page and it just says

We'll show you fewer Shorts on Home

Not "no more", but "fewer". Which means you don't get a choice, YouTube will still shove them down your throat.

Gagarin1917 5 hours ago||
That’s not shoving them down anyone’s throats.

If you don’t want to watch a short, don’t click on it. Just like if you don’t want to watch a video about a certain topic, you don’t click on it.

Seeing that they exist is in no way an inconvenience or annoyance. You’re supposed to just watch what you want.

greenchair 3 hours ago|||
Sure it is Sundar. When I go to youtube i see a few videos in the top half. The bottom half of screen is a row of Shorts that I don't want and have to scroll past. In a normal world there'd be a profile setting that lets you opt-out of Shorts being shown. In a normal world there wouldn't be a fake 'show fewer shorts' button that does absolutely nothing.
Gagarin1917 3 hours ago||
In a normal world people just scroll past the things they aren’t looking for without even processing the stuff they don’t want.

It’s extremely easy to never click on a Short. I don’t understand the emotional response to these things at all. I’m sure there’s tons of normal videos you don’t want to watch that’s you simply scroll past that don’t elicit emotion whatsoever.

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ajross 6 hours ago|||
YouTube is actually the least engagement-driven/addition-maxing social video provider, by far. Meta and TikTok are famous for discouraging external linking, limiting reach to non-targetted users, heavily moderating content to match engagement metrics, disguising advertisement as content, etc...

YouTube for the most part just serves what you post, does minimal content moderation, stuff a dumb insurance ad on the front (of the long-form content) that looks like a dumb insurance ad, and then does it for everyone else. I mean, sure, they could do better. But really if the world of amateur video content was all YouTube it would be a better place.

FrustratedMonky 6 hours ago||
Its what people want.

Time to stop thinking corporations will suddenly start policing themsleves.

saltyoldman 3 hours ago||
40+ers Who here thought Google was nuts in 2006 for buying them?

(raises hand)

MrDrMcCoy 1 hour ago||
I'm just under 40 and thought it was super weird when they bought YouTube. They already had Google Videos, which offered higher quality and was more reliable for me than YouTube, DailyMotion, or Vimeo at the time. Why they didn't just improve the discoverability and UX of what they already had was completely beyond me.
saalweachter 3 hours ago||
I was working at a crawling-based business around that time, and we thought it was because bandwidth contracts at that scale were symmetric, so the idea was that Google could serve video for ~free because they were crawling the whole Internet constantly and serving extremely light weight pages of ten blue links.
nitrat3 5 hours ago|
When will Youtube - Block "unverified" browsers? - Force KYC or Youtube premium to watch videos?

In their ongoing fight against yt-dlp and others i can already not watch videos using VPNs.

Adblockers has made most tech people unaware of the enshittification of most web services. For most normal people when they eventually make this change it will not affect them at all.

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