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Posted by strongpigeon 4 hours ago

ChatGPT Pro now starts at $100/month(chatgpt.com)
170 points | 187 commentspage 3
jedisct1 3 hours ago|
Awesome news.

And that includes usage of the API with any agent without risking being banned. OpenAI is also very supportive of open source software.

I'm using GPT-5.4 with Swival (https://swival.dev) for a while, alongside local models, and it's absolutely fantastic.

bossyTeacher 3 hours ago||
It really feels like LLMs will mostly become tools for tech workers rather than the kind of civilization-level transformation sama has been peddling. Every single comment here seems to confirm the above.
azmz 3 hours ago||
The missing piece isn't smarter models, it's making them usable for normal people. OpenClaw proved there's massive demand for AI agents but the setup and maintenance is brutal. We built Atmita (https://atmita.com) from scratch, not based on OpenClaw, cloud-native so there's nothing to install. It can hit any REST API directly, integrates with 800+ services out of the box, has a built-in browser, runs scheduled tasks in the background, and has built-in approval controls. All through a chat interface anyone can use.
randomNumber7 2 hours ago|||
> Every single comment here seems to confirm the above.

The population on Hacker News heavily skewed towards tech workers so I wouldn't draw a conclusion from that.

wolttam 3 hours ago|||
This is kind of the goldilocks zone for LLMs right now.

I wouldn't mistake this for any kind of capability plateau. There is a massive push towards making transformers the engine of humanoid (and other kinds of) robotics, we just haven't reached the hype moment for those yet.

bossyTeacher 3 hours ago||
> I wouldn't mistake this for any kind of capability plateau. There is a massive push towards making transformers the engine of humanoid (and other kinds of) robotics, we just haven't reached the hype moment for those yet.

Problem is that the fuel to get this train going relies on investors money. Investors aren't going to be happy with the quote I took from your message.

And that's the real bet really, can the industry turn the spark into fire before the investor money runs out?

wolttam 2 hours ago||
Development towards those goals will continue with or without massive investor capital, see Google’s involvement with Boston Dynamics.

And plenty of very wealthy folks see the writing on the wall wrt robotics.

dude250711 3 hours ago||
I have heard a CTO had a major success building a side project over a weekend.
bossyTeacher 3 hours ago||
Is that CTO in the room with us?
righthand 4 hours ago||
This is like the 2010s hosting price wars.
varispeed 4 hours ago||
What is the difference between Pro and normal mode apart from the fact the Pro takes ages to finish? I see not much difference in output quality.
azuanrb 4 hours ago||
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flextheruler 4 hours ago||
Tell me you're losing market share to competitors without telling me you're losing market share to competitors
hackable_sand 4 hours ago||
Can you guys remind me again why you're doing this?
Archerlm 4 hours ago||
just a rumor, but i heard altman was adding a timer which required the R&D dept. to triple
throwatdem12311 4 hours ago|
I heard it’ll take about a year. Timers are a hard problem to solve.
sassymuffinz 4 hours ago||
While they work on getting it to tell the time they'll just be over there listing targets for military strikes.
selectively 4 hours ago|
Price drops are nice. Unfortunately, the quality differential versus the competitor is night and day.

And everyone serious uses the API rate billing anyway.

aerhardt 4 hours ago||
> the quality differential versus the competitor is night and day.

This myth about the inferiority of ChatGPT and Codex is becoming a meme.

I have active subscriptions to both. I am throwing at Codex all kinds of data engineering, web development and machine learning problems, have been working on non-tech tasks in the "Karpathy Obsidian Wiki" [1] style before he posted about it.

Not only does Codex crush Claude on cost, it's also significantly better at adherence and overall quality. Claude is there on my Mac, gathering dust, to the point I am thinking of not renewing the sub.

There are plenty of fellow HNers here who feel the same from what I read in the flamewars. I suspect none of us really has a horse in this race and many are half-competent (in other threads, they mention they do things like embedded programming, distributed DL systems, etc.)

I'm starting to suspect a vast majority of people pushing the narrative that Claude is vastly better haven't even tried the 5.3 / 5.4 models and are doing it out of sheer tribalism.

[1] https://gist.github.com/karpathy/442a6bf555914893e9891c11519...

selectively 4 hours ago|||
I have access to effectively infinite API tokens for all models from Anthropic as well as OpenAI. The differential in performance in complex tasks is vast and strongly in favor of Opus, in my experience. I do not use the official harnesses for either model, though - as they are not my taste.

Codex is closer to my taste, as it is at least a native app and not typescript slop. But the model is just not up to snuff.

benjiro3000 2 hours ago|||
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hyperionultra 4 hours ago|||
Disagree. I use codex extensively. It just works so well with vscode and python. Claude with ridiculous limits - thanks no. For some even xAI is good fit.
randomNumber7 2 hours ago||
> For some even xAI is good fit.

Grok makes sense if you want s.th. less censored that is not biased towards woke ideology.

I don't see how this matters for coding though. I only use it to give me a summary of recent news (so I don't have to actually read the bs newspapers and X posts myself).

nilkn 4 hours ago|||
This take is out-of-date by months (which is an eternity in this space). Codex today has caught up and is very much on par with CC.
satvikpendem 4 hours ago||
I prefer and use 5.4 over Opus, it's simply better, faster, and doesn't glaze me like Claude models want to do for some reason.