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Posted by thepasswordis 1 hour ago

Apple has removed most of the towns and villages in Lebanon from Apple maps(maps.apple.com)
129 points | 85 comments
foxfired 1 hour ago|
You can look up Maroun Al-Ras [0] and it's map coordinate [1]. If you search for the name, you find a garden of the same name, but not the village. The instagram reel that was posted earlier had more context [2].

From wikipedia:

> In October 2024, IDF forces operated in the village as part of its invasion of southern Lebanon. The Israeli flag was raised, after the victory.

Which Apple might use as a justification. There is a Israeli flag, so it must belong to them.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maroun_al-Ras

[1]: https://maps.apple.com/frame?center=33.107500%2C35.444722&sp...

[2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47742363

mikert89 1 hour ago||
Israel is really out there just killing everyone in the middle east
ryandrake 1 hour ago|
Dark humor but it almost seems like Israel is using Apple Maps as a checklist.
cozzyd 1 hour ago||
Perhaps this is a humanitarian action, messing with Apple tankplay.
neya 1 hour ago||
They did the same thing when there was a war between India and China a while ago. As brutal as it sounds, time and again Apple always loves to be on the side of whichever market is bigger. It's really that simple (business wise). Morally? Perhaps not.
politelemon 1 hour ago|
There is no perhaps.
aduffy 1 hour ago||
This reminds me a bit of the Gulf of America fiasco from last year where if you changed your location to outside the US it would go back to showing Gulf of Mexico.

I'm not sure why they would do this for US users unless the US government requested it.

redox99 18 minutes ago||
Google maps has done this forever. A good chunk of countries have disputed territories, and never in human history there has been a "universal" map that everybody agrees on.
nutjob2 49 minutes ago|||
> I'm not sure why they would do this for US users unless the US government requested it.

Because the US govt. is petty and vindictive at the moment.

bdangubic 1 hour ago||
US government demanded it, not requested it
microtonal 56 minutes ago||
Associated Press was even banned from the White House for calling it the Gulf of Mexico: https://www.ap.org/the-definitive-source/announcements/ap-st...
creddit 1 hour ago||
Currently 50 points and is just a link to Apple Maps with an unverified claim.

EDIT: I'm at -2 for stating a fact.

aduffy 1 hour ago||
It is straightforward to visit any other online mapping service and see many villages labeled there.

Bing: https://www.bing.com/maps?cp=33.185932%7E35.321974&lvl=11.9&...

Google: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.1649913,35.2506666,11.55z

OSM: https://www.openstreetbrowser.org/#map=11/33.1554/35.2890

creddit 1 hour ago||
Removed means they were there before which means comparison to other maps means nothing. It's possible Apple never had them in the first place. It's completely unverifiable with the link or your links.
aduffy 1 hour ago|||
OSM is a foundational data layer for GIS. If you're building a mapping service, you're almost certainly using OSM augmented by satellite imagery and other sources to find population zones that OSM has not found yet.

If you look at the Apple Maps satellite layer, you see thousands of structures spread across the area.

It is a reasonable assumption that these population centers were labeled and Apple (or one of its data partners) has withdrawn the labels.

creddit 57 minutes ago||
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aduffy 48 minutes ago||
Alright, you haven't engaged with anything I've said above, clear you're just here to troll. Hope you have a nice day.
creddit 4 minutes ago||
> It is a reasonable assumption that these population centers were labeled and Apple (or one of its data partners) has withdrawn the labels.
walletdrainer 31 minutes ago|||
Just check literally any Lebanese social media site?
Legend2440 1 hour ago|||
Yeah true, how do we know these bridges and towns were there beforehand? Maybe Apple has never had good coverage in this area.

Just linking to a map doesn't tell us what was removed or when.

creddit 1 hour ago||
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karmakurtisaani 43 minutes ago||
Please don't post reddit style garbage comments like this.
bertil 1 hour ago|||
You can very easily verify the claim by following the link. Other than three major cities, there are no agglomeration listed in Lebanon. Other countries have detailed maps.
creddit 1 hour ago||
Actually I can't because I've never seen if Apple ever had them in the first place.
bertil 1 hour ago||
It sounds like a great opportunity to ask if people have used Apple Maps in Lebanon before.
creddit 1 hour ago||
Is anyone stopping you from doing that? Do you need my permission? If so, granted. I think you should spend whatever effort you want to verify claims if you believe that would be of value.
bertil 32 minutes ago||
You are assuming I didn’t know before this news came out.
nairboon 1 hour ago|||
Why do you say unverified? You can activate the hybrid satellite view and look around. There are many towns and cities showing up on satellite view without any label. That's easily verifiable.
creddit 1 hour ago||
Do you know what the word "removed" means?
daneel_w 1 hour ago|||
I believe OP is asking for a before/after of Apple Maps, because just seeing the map now isn't telling us whether Apple previously disclosed the villages and towns. I'm sure OP isn't thinking that the region is full of random roads out in the wilderness leading to nothing, which is the wrong conclusion the downvoters are probably leaping at.
creddit 55 minutes ago||
Correct
boramalper 1 hour ago||
> The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

You can open the link and see it for yourself; what other "verification" do you need?

quantummagic 1 hour ago|||
How did you verify that they previously existed on the Apple maps?

ps. your domain is misconfigured for your website, the www prefix is missing so only b....org works, but the link in your HN bio, doesn't.

creddit 1 hour ago|||
Do you know what the word "removed" means?
boramalper 11 minutes ago||
You’re being pedantic because you know it’s likely true.
thepasswordis 1 hour ago||
This is amid an ongoing bombing campaign by Israel which is primarily targeting civilians.
threethirtytwo 1 hour ago|
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mirzap 1 hour ago|||
Those towns and villages will be rebuilt after the war. This is not excuse for what Apple did, it is justification for ethnic cleansing and occupation. Same as with Gaza City. It existed for 3500 years, it will be rebuilt and it will outlive the US/Israel for sure.
threethirtytwo 1 hour ago||
How is removing a city from a map a some sort of sign that apple did it for malicious reasons?
walletdrainer 1 hour ago|||
Of course it’s a deliberate political signal from Apple.
threethirtytwo 1 hour ago||
What is the signal? Not snark, I’m not well informed and I need it spelled out.
walletdrainer 56 minutes ago||
The bulk of Israelis want to annex this territory and use it as an empty buffer zone, exterminating everyone who refuses to leave.

This genocide of course involves deleting those villages.

neya 1 hour ago||||
Why, because Apple can't do any wrong?
bigyabai 1 hour ago|||
I'm sure Apple doesn't see it as malicious, and that's precisely the issue. Apple's political grandstanding has forced them into awkward and contradictory positions.
luke5441 1 hour ago||||
Yeah, maybe they have some kind of computer vision algorithm that automatically recognizes that the villages are now only rubble in satellite pictures and auomatically update the map /s
alexander2002 1 hour ago|||
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threethirtytwo 1 hour ago||
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bigyabai 1 hour ago||
> the map should not navigate there, my life would be in danger.

Why is Yemen, Iran, Sudan and Ukraine still mapped then?

threethirtytwo 1 hour ago||
Were those cities bombed out?
Pay08 54 minutes ago||
None of them are cities, but yes, many cities in those countries are rubble.
Chance-Device 1 hour ago||
This saddens me and I don’t understand why it is allowed to continue.

And I’m not just talking about Apple Maps.

dryarzeg 1 hour ago|
This saddens me as well, because that's the type of thing that happens every day where I live, but...

> I don’t understand why it is allowed to continue.

The answer is even sadder. It's even worse. And it is as follows: because there's not enough people who are taking action, and from those taking action there's not enough people in power to change something significantly. At least that's how I see it. And... I can't even blame those who don't take action - because many people feel completely powerless, they feel like "what you can do to stop this war/other thing if you're just a regular human?"

jampekka 42 minutes ago|||
There's also a huge cost for taking action about this especially in the US. You can easily get thrown out of school, have your career destroyed or be deported.
Chance-Device 1 hour ago|||
This goes beyond direct action by individuals, it’s completely obvious what’s happening and it happens because the US political system has been captured.
cassianoleal 48 minutes ago|||
The US political system is this. It has not been recently "captured". This is business as usual for them.
Pay08 54 minutes ago|||
Captured by whom?
Chance-Device 47 minutes ago|||
This comes to mind: https://nypost.com/2025/03/19/us-news/benjamin-netanyahu-gif...
jampekka 41 minutes ago|||
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Fore...
throwaway132448 1 hour ago||
What’s the point in sharing these articles on HN, when the comment section shows they are clearly just used as an excuse for people to vocally confirm their own biases?
Bengalilol 1 hour ago|
This is not an article, but a link to Apple Plans/Maps where you can observe all locations have been removed. As for now, it is hard to conclude anything but this looks like a bug (I know I am being optimistic).
throwaway132448 1 hour ago||
Ok, so remove “these articles” and replace with “this” and my point still stands.
Bengalilol 58 minutes ago||
I concur
zeandcode 1 hour ago|
This is insane
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