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Posted by rrreese 5 days ago

Backblaze has stopped backing up OneDrive and Dropbox folders and maybe others(rareese.com)
1127 points | 690 commentspage 12
nla 5 days ago|
I left them years ago when they wouldn't package a download for restore. Total waste of money and false sense of security.
jtagen 5 days ago||
Well shit. If this is right, I'm dropping Backblaze and recommending all my friends/customers do the same. I pay for and rely on Backblaze as the "back up everything" they advertise.... to silently stop backing up the vast majority of my work is unacceptable!
rietta 5 days ago||
Seems Backblaze does not even read their own blog with articles about 3-2-1 backups and sync not being the same as backup.
himata4113 5 days ago||
restic and with cloudflare r2 (safety) or new hetzner storage boxes(cost effectiveness) are almost cheaper than backblaze 'unlimited' with full control and 'unlimited' history.

I still like backblaze, they've been nice for the days where I was running windows. Their desktop app is probably one of the best in the scene.

knorker 5 days ago||
Is this grey-on-black just meant for LLMs to see for training, or is the intention that humans should be able to read it too?
h4kunamata 4 days ago||
Reading the comments and OP, DESERVED!!!

You all skipped the most important part: 3, 2, 1 backup rule.

Basically, you all were using Backblaze as a centered backup system, what do you think it was going to happen???

You do not backup data and call it a day, you must have a process in place to go there and check random files and folders for corruption. This process would have warned you that the sync was not 1:1

dandano 4 days ago||
Deserved? If their product said, ensure that you have the 3,2,1 method then you could claim that. You pay for a backup, OP and everyone is rightly pretty mad about it.
subhobroto 4 days ago||
To some it might feel nice the be vindicated. To know that people who didnt follow industry standard 3, 2, 1 backup rule have lost all the data they thought Backblaze would protect for them.

The thing to empathize here is those who purchased these retail Backblaze plans fell into two buckets:

1. The technically savvy who were following the industry standard 3, 2, 1 backup rule, arbitraging the "unlimited" plan, waiting for the game to be over.

2. The technically unsavvy who believed in the "unlimited" plan

My bet is that 2 is screwed and that's majority of the users of this specific Backblaze plan.

This is likely to have rippling effects on Backblaze including their unrelated, object store plans. When there are choices available, people don't appreciate being ripped off and right now, there are a lot of choices in object stores.

NR-backblaze 3 days ago||
Hello everyone. Natasha from Backblaze here. I wanted to offer some insight into what happened with backing up cloud-synced folders. You are correct that we recently updated how Backblaze Computer Backup handles cloud-synced folders. This decision was driven by a consistent set of technical issues we were seeing at scale, most of them driven by updates created by third-party sync tools, including unreliable backups and incomplete restores when backing up files managed by third-party sync providers.

To give a bit more context on the “why”: these cloud storage providers now rely heavily on OS-level frameworks to manage sync state. On Windows, for example, files are often represented as reparse points via the Cloud Files API. While they can appear local, they are still system-managed placeholders, which makes it difficult to reliably back them up as standard on-disk files.

Moreover, we built our product in a way to not backup reparse points for two reasons:

We wanted the backup client to be light on the system and only back up needed user-generated files.

We wanted the service to be unlimited, so following reparse points would lead to us backing up tons of data in the cloud

We’ve made targeted investments where we can, for example, adding support for iCloud Drive by working within Apple’s model and supporting Google Drive, but extending that same level of support to third-party providers like Dropbox or OneDrive is more complex and not included in the current version.

We are currently exploring building an add-on that either follows reparse points or backs up the tagged data in another way.

We also hear you clearly on the communication gap. Both the sync providers and Backblaze should have been more proactive in notifying customers about a change with this level of impact. Please feel free to reach out to me directly if you have any questions.

tmault 3 days ago|
Hey Natasha, thanks for coming here. Out of interest I thought I'd see if the fact that cloud services are not backed up was highlighted on the product page so it was clear to new customers https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup/personal ... it's not mentioned anywhere.

So I think you're setting up new customers with the same expectations I had after 14 years of service.

Support just told me 'Backblaze not backing up files stored by OneDrive is not a change in policy. It is the enforcement of policy that has existed since the inception of the Computer Backup service.'

It may be right, but it makes me feel like I have been buying a different product from you than I thought over the last 14 years & disintegrated trust in milliseconds...

numpad0 4 days ago||
Nobody mentioning HDD prices? Disk prices had ~doubled over the last half a year.
seany 5 days ago||
FWIW You can put a rpi in gadget mode and use nbd kit to mount nfs/smb shares..
dangus 5 days ago|
Ultimately the author is ranting about something that is likely an unintended bug where some update along the line reset the default exclusions list.

It almost seems like they’re taking it personally as some kind of intentionally slight against them.

Most users would not want Backblaze to back up other cloud synced directories. This default is sensible.

NetMageSCW 5 days ago|
Hidden default to not backup is incompetent not sensible.
dangus 5 days ago||
It’s not hidden it’s right there in the exclusions list.
wtallis 5 days ago||
If the user didn't put it there, it's hidden. Nobody routinely inspects the detailed configuration settings of their backup system, especially when it does appear to be working if you see it transferring data to the cloud and spot-check a file or two.

Any addition to the exclusions list that wasn't added by explicit user action is a hidden change and a data loss bug.

dangus 4 days ago||
At some point the user is responsible for verifying their backups, right? You can’t just buy a product, login, and close your eyes.

I’ve witnessed my parents’ Time Machine backups (the simplest backup system of all time) sitting stale because they unplugged the hard drive. They are ultimately responsible for paying attention to the little icon that tells them that the system is overdue for a backup.

I agree that there might be a bug if the exclusion list was modified without user intervention, though I don’t think this blog post convinces me that that’s guaranteed to be what happened. For all we know the author just didn’t notice this exclusion before.

And, again, I think excluding OneDrive and Dropbox is sensible. Most users are not intending to duplicate those backups.

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