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Posted by Aaronmacaron 1 day ago

IPv6 traffic crosses the 50% mark(www.google.com)
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Schlagbohrer 14 hours ago|
Can someone reconcile for me the constant chatter about how IPv6 isn't getting impemented, versus this result that more than half of all traffic (as measured by google) is now IPv6?

It sounds to me like its a tool which is available to be used when needed and when no better workarounds exist, and it is slowly but surely being adopted as needed.

zokier 14 hours ago||
Most of the chatter comes from the peanut gallery who have no real insight on what ISPs and other large networks are actually doing.
neojima 9 hours ago||
This. "Vibes," vs. data.
toast0 10 hours ago||
As a sometimes chatterer, it's a mix of complaining about the annoying changes in v6 that weren't just lengthening the address fields, pointing out that the migration is taking forever, and implying a less disruptive design could have rolled out faster.

For a long time, there really was next to no progress. Between the introduction in 1996 and about 2011, there was very little adoption. And since 2012 when pushing really started, we're at about 50% globally, with large variance by country and network type. 15 years between creation and real deployment seems like a lot, and 15 years of deployment getting to 50% also seems likes a lot.

But wikipedia says touch tone dialing was first offered to consumers in the 1960s and didn't become majority until the 1980s, so maybe 30 years isn't that slow.

markhahn 3 hours ago||
I guess most of this is mobile use in India.
zeristor 15 hours ago||
My interest was piqued 20 years ago, then there was talk about Internet2 with all these amazing optimisations.

Things have developed so much, a Internet2 is still going on I take it, however is more focussed on university research.

As ever a killer strength is something that draws people to a new technology, I imagine there's various demographics that benefit from use of ipv6.

Further I imagine that there are some levels of criticality which when reached are more self sustaining (dare I say it the network effect?).

I've been posting this graph over the years, and it really has slowed down hugely close to this 50%. This is a global ipv6 support, so some countries are racing ahead, others weirdly like Denmark have a stash of ipv4 addresses and seems content.

France and Germany are at about 80%, but there's the rest of the world of course.

jabl 16 hours ago||
Are any ISP's or corp intranets doing IPv6-mostly style networks yet: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-link-v6ops-6mops-00.ht...

That seems to be a promising approach.

ninkendo 13 hours ago||
T-Mobile does: https://www.internetsociety.org/deploy360/2014/case-study-t-...

They use 464XLAT, basically NAT64/DNS64 with some extra cooperation on the OS’s part for backwards compatibility with apps that hard-code IPv4. You get only a v6 address, and your OS basically synthesizes an v4 network on your device in cooperation with their NAT64 router. But all the bytes going from your device through to their towers are ipv6. Talking to a v4-only website uses carrier-grade NAT64 when leaving the t-mobile network.

neojima 9 hours ago||
Additionally, their fixed-wireless product gives you a physical CPE that does the CLAT (NAT46) side of the 464XLAT.

To the local network, it looks like there's native IPv4, but it's translated to IPv6 by the gateway, and sent to the "nearest" NAT64 PoP to be translated back and sent along its merry way.

farfatched 16 hours ago||
According to https://www.ipv6.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/13_IPv6-M... , Google is.

The author of the RFC is the author of the slides.

blueybingo 5 hours ago||
worth noting that the google stat measures ipv6 availability among users who access google, not general internet traffic -- so it's a bit of a self-selecting sample skewed toward consumer isps that have deployed ipv6, which probaly overstates adoption for enterprise and datacenter traffic where the github situation is much more representative of reality.
KronisLV 12 hours ago||
Random test site for the consumer side: https://test-ipv6.com/

0/10 in Latvia with a local ISP, fun times.

grimmai143 9 hours ago||
It’s amazing to see this finally hit 50%. Out of curiosity for the infrastructure folks here: are you actually running IPv6 inside your internal VPCs and Kubernetes clusters now, or are you still mostly just terminating it at the edge/load balancer level?
1970-01-01 10 hours ago||
A hidden benefit is it's no longer possible to have another "we typed the wrong IP address" raid story. IPv6 is larger than the total number of heartbeats of all heart-bearing life that has ever existed. You either nailed the abuse address or you're raiding something that doesn't even exist.
shrubble 13 hours ago||
I am aware of at least 2 telecoms, one publicly traded, that have very little to no IPv6 in their core networks and only use IPv6 when they have to.

Personally I think the design of IPv6 offers very little benefit; supposedly the Dept of Defense/Dept of War holds some 175 million IPv4 addresses, with other companies also holding large allocations - that should have been addressed 25-30 years ago as an administrative matter.

mattstir 12 hours ago||
To what end though? 4 billion addresses is not enough on its own, even if they were reallocated from hoarders. I think that NAT and especially CGNAT have been very detrimental to the shape of the internet, where it's nearly impossible to self-host a public service without a VPN of some kind. Needing to pay some company for the ability to host a server that isn't behind NAT is a barrier that doesn't need to exist when IPv6 has a nearly limitless number of addresses.
bananamogul 8 hours ago||
You're not wrong, but practically speaking, hosting a VM is so cheap and comes with the advantage of serving from a datacenter that I would never want to host anything off my residential connection anyway.

The $1 to $5 a month to have excellent, reliable connectivity (that no residential connection provides), DDoS protection, and isn't tied to my home IP outweighs any home hosting benefit in my experience.

jcranmer 10 hours ago||
There are 16 /8's in the class E address space that were never allocated, and 19 /8's (by my count) allocated to individual companies. If you waved a wand and returned all of that space to IANA for allocation, you would have staved off IPv4 address exhaustion by... about 3 years.
neojima 9 hours ago||
2.7 - 4.0 years, by my math, so I would agree with your assessment.

...but that's based on pre-IANA-runout rates, though, and doesn't account for the pent-up backpressure of demand. So probably a lot less, in reality.

Not even remotely worth the effort, even if there were a legal pretext for "reclaiming" IPv4 space (there isn't; there's already precedent denying it).

artooro 5 hours ago|
Been waiting for this for years! Now I just wish my local ISP (rural Canada) supported it.
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