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Posted by Brajeshwar 1 day ago

Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data(www.eff.org)
641 points | 258 commentspage 2
440bx 1 day ago|
Promises are broken, policies are changed and political regimes vary. You need to make sure that you consider the future and not just now. And that means NEVER handing your data over in the first place.
abustamam 1 day ago|
That's easier said than done. Even if you don't directly use Google services, chances are that Big Data is still watching you on every website you go to. And if you have a mobile data plan, your service provider knows exactly where you are 24/7.
chriscrisby 1 day ago||
He disrupted a career fair because it had defense contractors.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/05/palest...

dwaltrip 1 day ago||
Not simply because it had defense contractors…

You made an editorial choice to leave out the part about selling weapons to Israel to use against Gaza.

Once can agree or disagree with the action to disrupt the career.

Either way, I find your omission a bit glaring.

mangodrunk 7 hours ago|||
Is your omission of the attacks on October 7 carried out by Hamas equally glaring? How do you know what exactly Israel will do with the weapons? They presumably need this for defense as any country needs weapons for defending themselves.
xdennis 1 day ago|||
It was omitted because it is irrelevant. It doesn't matter which ally the US sells weapons to. If the Gazans attacked Luxembourg, Luxembourgers have the right to defend themselves (and win) too.
elAhmo 20 hours ago|||
I’m sure you’re also applying the same logic to Iran and saying they have a right to defend themselves?
mangodrunk 7 hours ago||
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dwaltrip 1 day ago||||
I apologize for bringing up irrelevant information.
UberFly 1 day ago||
You really should. It is self serving information.
sleazebreeze 1 day ago|||
Should he be harassed and deported for this?
xdennis 1 day ago||
Yes. If you're a guest in a country and don't follow the law you should be deported. You don't need waste money putting them on trial (except for murder/rape/etc), just deport.
jstanley 1 day ago|||
How do you find out if someone followed the law without a trial?
Pay08 21 hours ago|||
That only works if the accused has committed a crime in their home country too.
Sandworm5639 1 day ago||
Ah, thank you. I'm not a native speaker so that's not what I imagined when I read that he "attended the protest for 5 minutes".
advael 1 day ago||
It's insane to trust a company in the way you trust a person. Companies can change their terms of service, their policies, or even their entire ownership or leadership at any time. We have seen over and over again that companies are seldom held accountable for even explicit breaches of prior agreements unless there's either collective action or someone very powerful affected. The only way to trust a company not to leak your data is for them not to have it. The only way to trust a company not to break their product or exploit you with it is for this not to be possible.
fblp 1 day ago||
Has Apple done this? Trying to figure out a safe place to store photos in the cloud without having to self host.
radicaldreamer 1 day ago||
This is why E2E encryption is important
goosejuice 1 day ago||
We could and should have better privacy laws, though foreigners will always be subject to less protection.

That said, a lot of this comes down to a failure in education around privacy and the cultural norm around folks thinking they have nothing to hide. The intuition most people have around privacy, and security, is incredibly poor.

tdb7893 1 day ago||
One thing to note when talking about "foreigners" is that many rights in the constitution specify "persons". So citizens and non-citizens theoretically have equal rights from that standpoint. So I agree in general but it's worth noting that he was supposed to have constitutional rights to speech and against unreasonable searches.
goosejuice 1 day ago||
Yes, sorry, by foreigner I mean non-citizen.

Others do have constitutional rights, but the legislative and executive hold plenary powers in the realm of national security and immigration.

tdb7893 11 hours ago||
As far as the Constitution goes, non-citizens have the same rights as citizens (at least for all the rights given to "persons") and there's no carveout actually in the Constitution for national security or immigration. Practically you have a point given case law but even in cases of immigration and national security these Constitutional rights still apply (regardless of what any branch of either Congress or the president try to do).

You can read the bill of rights here (no mention of citizens or national security): https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/bill-of-rights-transc...

ButlerianJihad 2 hours ago|||
It may come as a shocking surprise here, but human rights are not actually conferred by the Constitution or any other piece of paper.

Human rights are “endowed by our Creator” and so the actual function of the Constitution is to protect those rights, and any logical person could reason that our Creator would probably not endow only certain persons or citizens with those rights.

lazyasciiart 46 minutes ago||
If you’re going to believe in a creator anyway, why not decide they have arbitrarily chosen to favor one group over another?
ButlerianJihad 5 minutes ago||
Are you American?
goosejuice 2 hours ago|||
I never said there was a carve out? Citizens and legal permanent residents enjoy more rights beyond the constitution than non citizens.

I'm not a lawyer, but see the privacy act, FISA and EO 12333.

Tangurena2 1 day ago||
I think the issue is deeper than that. In the US, data about you belongs to the company that owns the hardware that the data is stored on. In the EU, data about you belongs to you.
goosejuice 1 day ago||
My point is aside from policy, knowing what you give up to use that free software is a huge part of the equation.
woodydesign 1 day ago||
Every time this happens the debate goes the same way — trust Google or don't, switch to Proton, self-host everything. But the real issue I believe isn't whether we trust Google. It's that the data existed somewhere it could be taken from in the first place.

I've been thinking about this a lot while working on a side project. I ended up making it work entirely offline — no server, no account, no network calls. Not out of paranoia, just because I couldn't come up with a good reason to ask users to trust me with their data. Turns out the best privacy policy is just not having anyone's data.

EarthAmbassador 1 day ago||
What’s your project by the way. Would be curious to know more, if you’re up for sharing now. Later is fine too.
woodydesign 1 day ago||
No monetization plan — it's all local, no server, near-zero cost to run. Free and open source. I believe good tools should be accessible to everyone. Open source first, monetization will figure itself out down the road.

It's called Hodor — prompt launcher for macOS.

EarthAmbassador 1 day ago|||
Outstanding, and ethical too. So tell us, did you forgo monetization forever, or do you have a plan for revenue? Perhaps it’s not an issue for you, but knowing what you have up might help others conceive of a shift of the Overton window such that it’s no longer a given that that must be harvested.
emmelaich 1 day ago|||
I suspect Proton are subject to the same laws as Google.
traderj0e 1 day ago|||
Yeah, in this case, the cell carriers did a lot of the work.
woodydesign 1 day ago||
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jiveturkey 1 day ago||
> That notice is meant to provide a chance to challenge the request.

That's the author's interpretation. The promise doesn't indicate anything of the sort (as of this writing). And users cannot challenge these requests -- users don't own the data (in the US). The promise is very clear that Google will provide the data, if the request is compliant.

Now the text of the notification was past tense, that the information was provided, whereas the promise is crystal clear that Google will notify before providing the info, but to me that could amount to a simplification of "we have verified that the request is legally compliant and will be providing the info to them in 250 ms".

Don't get me wrong, I'm not on Google's side. I'm a huge privacy nut. But the fix is to not give your info to Google, not trust that they will abide by any policy. Especially in a case like this where your freedom is at risk. Most people are completely unaware and unthinking but this guy seems that he was fully aware and placed his trust in Google.

LightBug1 1 day ago||
"You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" - Larry Page, Sergey Brin, Eric Schmidt - chanting to each other after a round of ayahuasca.
hypeatei 1 day ago|
The fact that they complied with an administrative subpoena makes it so much worse. "Administrative" anything essentially has about as much value as toilet paper unless it goes to court and the judge agrees with whatever agency wrote it.
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