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Posted by jilles 11 hours ago

Cloudflare Email Service(blog.cloudflare.com)
397 points | 187 commentspage 4
pradn 8 hours ago|
How much do existing services trust new email service providers? It would seem to be an uphill battle for Cloudflare to start a new service. It's easy to automate from the start, meaning it's easier to send spam. I suppose reputation is not simply based on the domain the email comes from?
efalcao 7 hours ago|
Hi, I work on this team at Cloudflare. We've been sending email for years via our free email routing product and email sending is built on top of the same infrastructure, code and knowledge.
tracker1 6 hours ago||
I hope you've (your org) been able to curate something resembling higher level contacts with Microsoft. They seem to be the single largest email provider that consistently has deliverability issues.
bob1029 8 hours ago||
I'm having a hard time figuring out if I could use this as a replacement for something like AWS WorkMail or E365. The "Agentic" inbox looks really nice, but is this intended for humans to use? I am really confused due to the marketing hype.
_pdp_ 9 hours ago||
Good! However, ...

Sending and receiving is in my mind the easy part. The hardest part is to make this work with actual AI agents. This is the same problem as with sub-agent communication because you need to implement all kinds of additional fictionality to ensure the agent is not just responding for no good reason, go into loops, etc.

My $0.02 from experience.

dgb23 8 hours ago||
It's certainly interesting that they provide an email service now. In their documentation/blog recommendations they switched their recommended approach twice or three times already.

If they establish a solid email solution I will likely use that for some of the projects I'm hosting there.

john_strinlai 10 hours ago||
>Everyone already has an email address, which means everyone can already interact with your application or agent. And your agent can interact with anyone.

please no.

>Sending email that actually reaches inboxes usually means wrestling with SPF, DKIM, and DMARC records. When you add your domain to Email Service, we configure all of it automatically. Your emails are authenticated and delivered, not flagged as spam.

this is going to be an absolute nightmare for spam. i cant exactly block all of cloudflare...

it would be nice if anyone at cloudflare could write about how they plan to proactively reduce abuse of this feature, how they will respond to spam reports, what the punishment for abuse will be, etc.

tredre3 1 hour ago||
> i cant exactly block all of cloudflare...

That's what potential buyers are counting on. Pricing is decent, but imho that is the true value proposition here.

cuu508 10 hours ago||
Sure you can, look at Spain ;-)
cdrnsf 9 hours ago||
If I get one email from your agent, I'm torching your entire domain.
ttul 9 hours ago||
How might this affect https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/agentmail?
sltr 6 hours ago||
> Email is the most accessible interface in the world

Email is one of the most gatekept interfaces in the world.

potato-peeler 8 hours ago||
I can use this to set up my own custom mail service, like an alternative to gmail? Or at the very least, my own personal mail provider?
tracker1 6 hours ago||
You'd need to write your own mail protocol host/gateway on top of this service... Pop/smtp/imap, etc.

Also, search is a bigger/harder issue to solve, assuming you want to support clients searching for emails without a full scan of their mailbox for matches.

ryangst_1 10 hours ago|
$0.35 per 1,000 emails it's fair pricing.

Looks better than fixed $20 for Resend.

skc 10 hours ago|
Yep, and I'm both a Cloudflare and Resend customer.

I like Resend, a lot, but this is probably something I can't pass up, especially if it does what it says on the tin

bdangubic 10 hours ago||
Resend will change the pricing - guaranteed. Not sure how soon but I'd expect very soon.
STRiDEX 9 hours ago||
I guess if they're big enough they should be working on moving off of amazon SES for emails and warming up ip addresses? Otherwise they need to keep a markup on top of amazon.

Edit: didn't realize people were paying resend $20. AWS already exists at a low price and people pick them anyway, i'm sure they're fine.

pupppet 9 hours ago|||
I'm betting a non-small chunk of these are users AWS wouldn't let out of sandbox mode.
bdangubic 7 hours ago||
and you’d be 100% right!
slig 9 hours ago||||
It's very easy to get started with Resend, and they have a free tier that basically works for any bootstrapped project, and by the time you have to upgrade, you can pay $20/m.
stewartjarod 6 hours ago|||
And if you want a SaaS like experience for your own AWS, there is wraps.dev ;d
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