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Posted by ColinWright 15 hours ago

Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)(hex.ooo)
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OhMeadhbh 13 hours ago|
In the 80s, our local planetarium did a show based on this story. The executive director of the museum associated with the planetarium had a very nice deep voice and was the perfect narrator, though it gave the Cosmic AC a slight Texas accent.
BoneShard 2 hours ago||
in the same vein https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA
hackan 11 hours ago||
Every single time this is posted, I read it again, and again. And I will, for the next billion years...
moffers 14 hours ago||
My favorite short story of all time. Between this and Deep Thought in HHGttG, I couldn’t believe the prescience when the bitter lesson was learned and LLMs and GPUs started eating the world.
shivaniShimpi_ 14 hours ago||
the LLM parallel does hit different on this read multivac says insufficient data across ten trillion years and the whole story is basically if more compute and more data eventually gets you there. what's weird is the story answers yes, not on any timeframe that helps the people asking tho.

feels uncomfortably close to the actual situation where the models keep getting better and the answer keeps being "not yet, ask again later" while the answer is getting ready years late

waltbosz 13 hours ago|||
I feel like the software running multivac represents something vastly more advanced than today's LLM.

I wonder if Asimov considered multivac to be an ancestor to his positronic robots, or if the two exist in different universes. I don't recall the two ever appearing in the same story.

Aerolfos 8 hours ago||
> I wonder if Asimov considered multivac to be an ancestor to his positronic robots, or if the two exist in different universes. I don't recall the two ever appearing in the same story.

I can't remember if the machines in "the evitable conflict" are ever called VACs, they might be. The themes in that story do for sure overlap with the story "Franchise" (which is explicitly multivac).

Anyway the multivac from last question probably isn't the same as the one in franchise anyway, because the franchise multivac is the same one as in "all the troubles of the world", and spoilers, but that particular multivac has other problems than entropy. It could be that they "fixed" it, but at this point the timeline with other short stories doesn't add up.

In any case, the VACs would be instances of positronic brains the way the machines in evitable conflict are, so if anything the robots are the ancestors of multivac and not the other way around.

waltbosz 7 hours ago||
The World Co-ordinator in "the evitable conflict" was a positronic robot (not known to the public), but I think you're right that the machines are never identified as either positronic robots or VACs. But iirc, in the Susan Calvin universe (of which "the evitable conflict" is a part), robots were generally illegal on Earth, the that must make the machines in that story non-robots.

I would say the multivac in "Franchise" is the same Mutlivac as "Last Question" and "all the troubles of the world" (one of my favorites). There are no positronic robots in "Franchise", nor the others.

mercer 13 hours ago|||
maybe 42 was just the end of sequence token...
IAmBroom 13 hours ago||
My favorite "explanation" of that answer is that 6*9=42 in base 13.

God's numbering system is "unlucky".

baq 14 hours ago||
It only takes understanding the exponential function and some imagination, right? Apparently an uncommon combination of traits in people ;)
ariuser8434 3 hours ago||
it's very much the story of The Solipsist by Frederic Brown, which was published in 1954

https://xpressenglish.com/our-stories/solipsist/

0xmattf 14 hours ago||
One of my all-time favorites. Almost every time I'm involved in a conversation about books, I always mention this. It amazes me how many people have never heard of it.
Animats 9 hours ago||
"Answer" (1954) [1] Much faster results.

[1] https://calumchace.com/favourite-relevant-sf-short-story/

quux 10 hours ago||
> Adell was just drunk enough to try, just sober enough to be able to phrase the necessary symbols and operations into a question which, in words, might have corresponded to this:

TIL Asimov predicted the Ballmer Peak in 1956

HerbManic 6 hours ago||
The last line in this context "Let there be light" always reminds me of the film Dark Star. Where they are arguing with the AI on a planet destroying bomb only for the bomb to argue from a Solipsistic point of view.
astravagrant 10 hours ago|
What an absolute masterpiece. Poetry and philosophy with narrative and humour. Wonderful stuff. Him and Clarke were lighthouses in their day, and to this day.
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