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Posted by ColinWright 2 days ago

Isaac Asimov: The Last Question (1956)(hex.ooo)
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viktorcode 2 days ago|
Curiously, that describes cyclic universe hypothesis by dr. Penrose pretty well
hnthrowaway0315 2 days ago||
I tried to ask ChatGPT the same question last year. Unfortunately it didn't give me a meaningful answer.
layer8 2 days ago|
That’s because it’s a DC, not an AC.
andyjohnson0 2 days ago||
I'm going to make myself unpopular here, but I've never understood the perennial gushing about this story on hn.

The writing is okay, but the ending is kind of trite (especially given the author's humanist beliefs. And there's much too much exposition.

Convince me I'm wrong.

hungryhobbit 2 days ago||
Context matters. The first guy to write X is a luminary. The next 50 people to write variations of X start falling along a spectrum, from luminary to hack. After that, everyone except children have been exposed to X, and anyone writing about it seems trite.

I suspect you've read a lot of works derived from Asimov, and now the original seems trite (when you read it after all the stuff derived from it). But the work remains foundational.

zem 2 days ago|||
this story has arguably aged worse in that respect than asimov's similarly titled "the last answer". that one still evokes a "whoa" when I think about it.

https://www.highexistence.com/the-last-answer-short-story/

andyjohnson0 1 day ago||
Thank you - I hadn't read that before. Its a much richer, and also darker, work than The Last Question.

Also it was written in 1980,.almost three decades after The Last Question. I wonder if part of the difference (to me) is in the evolution of the author's writing practice, or development of themes in SF over that time?

andyjohnson0 2 days ago|||
The triteness was more in the ending than the overall exposition. Humans create computer, computer creates universe->humans.

> I suspect you've read a lot of works derived from Asimov

You're probably right, although the transitive chain of derivation is necessarily long. Clarke - probably not derivative. Blish and Cherryh (some), Stapeton, Lem, Heinlein (the juveniles, as a kid), Baxter, Banks, Gibson, Ken MacLeod, Charles Stross, Peter Watts... I dunno.

I did grind through the Robot books as a child, and the Foundation books that he wrote. But just because they're foundational (no pun intended) doesn't stop them feeling stuffy and dated now.

(And as an aside, it strikes me now that Clarke's The Nine Billion Names of God is kind of the anti-particle to The Last Question.)

zem 2 days ago||
the penultimate line of "the nine billion names of god" has always stayed with me: "there is always a last time for everything". sounds a bit trite just by itself, but it was an incredibly powerful line when I encountered it in the story and that feeling has stayed attached to it for me.
Nav_Panel 2 days ago||
Nah I agree with you, as someone who's read a lot of Asimov. As far as MULTIVAC stories go, I always preferred "All The Troubles of the World" (https://schools.ednet.ns.ca/avrsb/070/rsbennett/HORTON/short...).
charv 2 days ago||
All time great short story. Has shaped my world view since I first read it many years ago.
sergiotapia 2 days ago||
Every time this surfaces I simply must read it end to end. I must have read it 200 times by now and it never gets old. What a wonderful short story!

I consider these other two also great stories that I must read every time:

I Don't Know, Timmy, Being God Is a Big Responsibility

https://qntm.org/responsibilit

Gorge

https://qntm.org/gorge

sigalo 2 days ago||
Shouldn't the guy who runs this site be concerned about copyright infringement? Not sure to what extent the Asimov estate cracks down on unauthorized copies but he should be cautious.
sowbug 2 days ago|
It would be borderline insanity for the Asimov estate to enforce rights in a case like this. You couldn't buy better publicity than this thread.
kelnos 1 day ago||
That sort of (entirely reasonable) logic doesn't stop many, many copyright holders.
hydrocomplete 2 days ago||
No one should have to wait a trillion years for good data. Too long!
LetsGetTechnicl 2 days ago||
One of my favorite short stories
casey2 2 days ago||
Fly around the universe collecting matter then find or create a black hole of appropriate size and farm the gamma rays, small ones generate quite a lot of power and you can keep them at that size by feeding them. Humanity won't run out of energy for at least 10^100 years. Theoretical physicists suspect that protons have a half life of 10^32 years, that's 1 proton from the human body every 100,000 years. Maybe that doesn't matter to us, but on a space station those start to add up! so immortals trying to ship of Theseus their bodies and planets may fight the proton wars. Long before a sizable number of matter decays I would expect a future civilization to have already created grids of black hole farms and chucked all the rotting/useless matter in, create new planets as needed and cycle their own atoms out through cultivation breathing exercises. Or a tiered system of vaults (3km), power plants (0.1fm) and forges (0.001fm)
throw_m239339 2 days ago|
Check out "The Last Answer" from the same author.
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