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Posted by hn_acker 13 hours ago

Ban the sale of precise geolocation(www.lawfaremedia.org)
605 points | 167 commentspage 3
sciencesama 4 hours ago|
instead buy it and show the horror things ! may be focus on politicians who can be swayed with this data !
kristianpaul 10 hours ago||
Haven't read the article yet but having more NTRIP public endpoint could help a lot to this precise location
charcircuit 8 hours ago||
I think it's fair for law enforcement to compensate the people collecting this data instead of forcing them to give it away for free.
erelong 9 hours ago||
Alternatively, opt out of services that sell it
shevy-java 10 hours ago||
Soon Geolocation will be tied to Age! Then you can meet locals and congratulate them on their birthday. The movie Minority Report was way too timid in its prediction here. Age up everything! \o/
lifestyleguru 12 hours ago||
Smartphones, mobile apps, mobile networks, and WiFi stopped being your friends around 2015-2016. Now it's just a matter of how much data can be harvested from device sensors in real time until reaching a pain point which doesn't exist.
Cider9986 10 hours ago||
WiFi isn't that bad, we have mac address randomization[1] and VPNs. Cellular is obscenely bad, though.

[1] https://grapheneos.org/usage#wifi-privacy

reorder9695 10 hours ago|||
If anyone's interested in this the book "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" is rather revealing of the sheer scale of this.
mystraline 11 hours ago||
Yep.

And the FLOSS/Linux phone hardware attempts have frankly sucked.

I was hoping that my PinePhone Pro would actually be usable. But no, its a PineDoorstop.

Proper Linux would be a great 3rd choice. But yeah. We've got a duopoly and not much we can do about it.

9991 9 hours ago||
GrapheneOS is a proper Linux. The hardware isn't open, but otherwise it's quite nice and clearly designed for the end-user's benefit, in stark contrast to the more widely-adopted alternative mobile OSes.
troupo 12 hours ago||
Don't you want random companies to store your precise location for 12 years? https://x.com/dmitriid/status/1817122117093056541
Swizec 12 hours ago|
Screenshot in that tweet says 13 months FYI
mzajc 12 hours ago|||

  > Lifespan: 13 Months
  > ...
  > Standard retention (4320 Days)
It looks like a cookie prompt, so I assume "Lifespan" refers to cookie expiration and "retention" to how long the data (including geolocation) is retained on the spyware company's servers.
troupo 12 hours ago|||
[Cookie] Lifespan: 13 Months

Data Retention: Standard Retention (4320 days)

wolvoleo 12 hours ago|
Just ban the sale of any kind of adtracking. That way we can get rid of the cookiewalls too.

Missed opportunity by the EU when they wrote GDPR.

troupo 12 hours ago||
GDPR literally prohibits the sale of user data and tracking without user consent (because yes, you want to give people the possibility to opt in for a variety of reasons).

GDPR has literally nothing to do with cookie popups. That was, and is, adtech

em-bee 12 hours ago|||
prohibits [...] without user consent

that's what causes the popups.

it should prohibit it outright, consent or not.

SoftTalker 11 hours ago|||
But the only reason the popups are needed is the adtech tracking cookies. You don't need a popup for cookies that are related to essential site functionality.
em-bee 11 hours ago||
yes, so if ad tracking is forbidden outright then asking for permission to do it is invalid too.
GJim 10 hours ago||
We certainly do need another law to ban the adtech industry..... Though no doubt that would prompt a _shitstorm_ from Google, Elon and chums.
wolvoleo 9 hours ago|||
I see only positives there.
nathanlied 9 hours ago|||
I can live with the tears of Google and Elon, frankly.

The adtech industry has, time and again, proven they cannot self-regulate to any decent capacity. At this point, the only reasonable course of action is to shackle them down with such heavy legislative burdens they're rendered de facto extinct.

I will not mourn their loss.

troupo 4 hours ago|||
There are absolutely valid reasons for users to opt-in to tracking/data collection.

EU is first and foremost a capitalist economy which nevertheless tries to protect people from abuse. Who are they to forbid someone to collect data, and to someone to provide this data? Even things like quality surveys are collecting personal data.

However, adtech and tracking (also capitalists, (un)ironically) ruined everything for it for everyone.

pocksuppet 12 hours ago||||
I think they are saying GDPR did not ban websites from noisily asking for consent and trying to trick you into giving consent.
wolvoleo 9 hours ago||
Well they did but that is not policed.

For example, giving consent should be the same difficulty as denying it. So one click consent means there must be also one click non-consent. But this is policed very poorly.

I think they should just ban adtech altogether, at least any form of targeted advertising, individual pricing (which is already illegal in many EU countries) and ideally also deep market research.

lotu 12 hours ago|||
My job was building cookie walls in response to GDPR. It might not have been the “intent” but it certainly was the consequence of that law.
GJim 10 hours ago||
> Missed opportunity by the EU when they wrote GDPR.

Not really.

There are legitimate reasons why I might wish to be tracked or give my personal data to a company. As long as I'm asked to give clear, opt-in informed consent, this is perfectly fine. This is the very essence of the GDPR!

Instead, direct your ire to the scummy adtech industry who are constantly asking to invade my privacy and smell my knickers trying to work out what I ate for lunch. Another law to ban the adtech industry would be welcome from me, though would meet fierce resistance from the likes of Google.

The GDPR is well written.

wolvoleo 9 hours ago||
> There are legitimate reasons why I might wish to be tracked or give my personal data to a company. As long as I'm asked to give clear, opt-in informed consent, this is perfectly fine. This is the very essence of the GDPR!

In these cases they don't even need to ask for your permission.

> Instead, direct your ire to the scummy adtech industry who are constantly asking to invade my privacy and smell my knickers trying to work out what I ate for lunch. Another law to ban the adtech industry would be welcome from me, though would meet fierce resistance from the likes of Google.

No, the EU should have done more to prevent this. They didn't want to kill a billions-of-euros industry. But they should have.